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Plato's Stepchildren may not be the most loved, but hated??

Just some token faff and some inevitable name alterations (e.g. Dionysus = Dionyd) )

Could be worse. At least the Platonians didn't act as if they were in a Shakespeare play circa 1600, though in some ways the Trek episode might have been more fun - if the-most-of-the-38-of-the Platonians did more than sit there and Waldorf'n'Statler it through the proceedings.

https://www.ranker.com/list/shakespeare-globe-theater-experience-in-1600s/genevieve-carlton

It's a bit of a read. Or a byte. Or lots of bytes. Tens of thousands of kilobytes if you include the static imagery...
Kirk, Spock, and Uhura could have thrown soft fruit at them!

Yes, I was lucky enough to see A Midsummer Night's Dream at the new Globe a couple of years ago. Great performance and I highly recommend it for anyone who's in London. No fruit throwing, no pyrotechnics on stage, women on stage.
 
It's because Nimoy was an actor, not a singer. And he wasn't a dancer either.

“Cut! Let’s have the stunt double dancer for Nimoy in here!”

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“Cut! Let’s have the stunt double dancer for Nimoy in here!”

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At least Nimoy wasn't a dancer, what with few chances for retakes and all, of course...

But on a 15~19" color NTSC OTA-broadcast TV at the time, nobody would have noticed. The blu-ray remaster on even a 32" LCD screen, however, it's as much a giveaway as painting a bullseye a bright bismuth subsalicylate pink hue. Yet it's nowhere near as bad as the stunt doubles in "Space Seed". There's a fun thought, the notion that "the better the episode has lesser effects, and the worse the episode has the better effects" - only transpose "stunt double" for "effects".

I had to look up the meaning of "faff." I believe it's what we Yanks call a "jerk-off" (in the metaphorical sense).

Aye, or "nonsense"/"rubbish"/et al. It's all good. :D But I do need to find some more American shows to watch. Thankfully Captain Kirk and Steve Austin will keep my busy for a while.
 
My review of this one as posted in the Trek Rewatch thread:

Plato's Stepchildren ***

Unpopular opinion: I like this one. Yeah, yeah, there's tons of humiliation and a few sketchy performance choices, but it's never, ever dull, has wonderful guest stars and a great (and final) full score by Alexander Courage. How fitting that the composer who wrote the first Star Trek score gets to do the final full series score.

The first new person we meet is Alexander, wonderfully played with great skill and dignity by Michael Dunn. You like him immediately and feel for him every damned time he's abused. Kirk takes an immediate shine to him and the chemistry between Dunn and Shatner is strong. I love every interaction they have as Kirk treats Alexander with more respect than he's ever gotten in his life.

The sequence where Parmen is tossing stuff around with his mind in his fever, throwing psychic punches and then strangling Alexander is really exciting and very well done. In fact, all of the levitation bits are very convincing with truly invisible (if a little wobbly) wires.

The cast really sells the idea of being controlled by psychic forces. Shatner literally throws himself into it, but even De Kelley does a great job. Dunn throws himself over an ottoman, no little stunt double here, and he just owns this episode.

Shatner gets flack for the second act humiliation scene but I bought it. He screams beautifully and his "horse like" imitation could have been any alien animal. Nimoy gets to sing a bit and then shows us an incredibly well performed (and written) scene of Spock dealing with the fallout of his emotional abuse. It's an awful sequence to sit through and Parmen's capper of "how can you let this go on?" hits hard because it really gets just this side of unbearable before we go to commercial.

Then "the women!" are brought into it. I wish their dialog was better written, but this is what we've got. This is probably the weakest point of the episode for me. The "kiss" is BS (compare Kirk and Uhura to Spock and Chapel) but fans love to run with it. Honestly the one point I really don't like is Kirk, newly powered, shoves Alexander back and forth in the tug of war with Parmen. I would rather Kirk have tossed something at him and then stopped Alexander from cutting Parmen. However, Kirk makes it up to him in a beautifully sweet ending as he fulfills his promise to take Alexander away from Parmen and the others.

Liam Sullivan and Barbara Babcock excel as Parmen and Philana. The sets are impressively decorated and shot and the music is perfect. This episode also has three important Alexander's: Alexander the character, Alexander Courage and director David Alexander.

I get why people don't like it. There's not really much plot. It's a lot of torture and humiliation in service of the old chestnut "power corrupts" - one Star Trek did as far back as the second pilot and a few times since. Yet, I got into the characters, the performances and the production. I found it fast paced and often exciting. It's never boring and it doesn't look or sound cheap. But, as I said, it's an unpopular opinion and my reviews are full of them.
 
My review of this one as posted in the Trek Rewatch thread:

Plato's Stepchildren ***

Unpopular opinion: I like this one. Yeah, yeah, there's tons of humiliation and a few sketchy performance choices, but it's never, ever dull, has wonderful guest stars and a great (and final) full score by Alexander Courage. How fitting that the composer who wrote the first Star Trek score gets to do the final full series score.

The lack of dullness helped, the music was indeed wonderful, and I'll always go to bat for the high-concept psi ability to directly control another's mind for the creepy factor and what can be done with it.

The first new person we meet is Alexander, wonderfully played with great skill and dignity by Michael Dunn. You like him immediately and feel for him every damned time he's abused. Kirk takes an immediate shine to him and the chemistry between Dunn and Shatner is strong. I love every interaction they have as Kirk treats Alexander with more respect than he's ever gotten in his life.

^^this, x1000^42

If absolutely nothing else, their scenes are the core of Trek.

The sequence where Parmen is tossing stuff around with his mind in his fever, throwing psychic punches and then strangling Alexander is really exciting and very well done. In fact, all of the levitation bits are very convincing with truly invisible (if a little wobbly) wires.

The lighting, camera setups, everything - only once did I see a wire (on blu-ray), and the wobblies weren't excessive. Especially for this point of time in season 3.

The cast really sells the idea of being controlled by psychic forces. Shatner literally throws himself into it, but even De Kelley does a great job. Dunn throws himself over an ottoman, no little stunt double here, and he just owns this episode.

Seconded. Dunn steals the show, but none of the actors went over the top and broke suspension of disbelief. It arguably would have been worse if the actors broke the 4th wall.

Shatner gets flack for the second act humiliation scene but I bought it. He screams beautifully and his "horse like" imitation could have been any alien animal.

That stuff would be brutal for any actor, and Trek's was loaded with well-trained and accomplished actors. I was mesmerized by the scene by how well they sold Parmen's influence. Lesser acting would have truly trashed any chance for the story. The actors really did carry this, and had to. The novelization, and - yeah - some novelizations do better than what's produced, doesn't fare as well. James Blish's novelization isn't bad (I liked how he got around the Way to Eden singing scene, even though it was still a loss as the lyrics were in primo Trek fashion), but the TV version still sells it best.

Nimoy gets to sing a bit and then shows us an incredibly well performed (and written) scene of Spock dealing with the fallout of his emotional abuse. It's an awful sequence to sit through and Parmen's capper of "how can you let this go on?" hits hard because it really gets just this side of unbearable before we go to commercial.

The post-abuse scene is powerful, but - bingo - Parmen's quip of "How can you let this go on?" is gaslighting at its near-worst.

Then "the women!" are brought into it. I wish their dialog was better written, but this is what we've got. This is probably the weakest point of the episode for me.

Chapel and Uhura deserved better.

As is the budget constraint of having this colony of 38 telekinetics. Image, if they were larger, what they would do with all 430 of the crew. :o

The "kiss" is BS (compare Kirk and Uhura to Spock and Chapel) but fans love to run with it.

I'll re-watch that scene to see. The myth of "First interracial kiss" starts in this episode. The behind the scenes elevate it, but the UK has examples prior to Trek's: ("Emergency - Ward 10" in 1964) and ("Othello", 1955, per Wikipedia reference). Just started watching the latter on YT. Am glad the film print wasn't junked.

Honestly the one point I really don't like is Kirk, newly powered, shoves Alexander back and forth in the tug of war with Parmen. I would rather Kirk have tossed something at him and then stopped Alexander from cutting Parmen. However, Kirk makes it up to him in a beautifully sweet ending as he fulfills his promise to take Alexander away from Parmen and the others.

GREAT point!

Liam Sullivan and Barbara Babcock excel as Parmen and Philana. The sets are impressively decorated and shot and the music is perfect. This episode also has three important Alexander's: Alexander the character, Alexander Courage and director David Alexander.

A Trek without any Alexander is all for the worse.

I get why people don't like it. There's not really much plot. It's a lot of torture and humiliation in service of the old chestnut "power corrupts" - one Star Trek did as far back as the second pilot and a few times since. Yet, I got into the characters, the performances and the production. I found it fast paced and often exciting.

Yup - the plot is paper thin, it's the character interactions of the concept being sold to the audience that make or break it.

Compared to other 60s shows I've rewatched, TOS holds up really nicely.

It's never boring and it doesn't look or sound cheap.

The same great use of thoughtfully-applied color lighting helps immensely. 1960s shows were always vibrant with lively hues, but TOS did take it the next step. What would otherwise be too "busy" for other shows somehow lands just right. It's iconic.

But, as I said, it's an unpopular opinion and my reviews are full of them.

I should start looking up yours! :techman:
 
You couldn't tell him that. Nimoy wrote "Maiden Wine" himself, and obviously used his clout to sing it on Star Trek. Also, you don't put out five albums of you singing unless it's kind of your thing.

Furthermore, I believe he must have been inspired to write "Maiden Wine" by the Nancy Sinatra smash "Summer Wine," which he would have heard many times on his car radio. Basically, Nimoy inverted the story to make the man the villain. The only musical phrase he borrowed was where "Ahh, bitter dregs" is sung to the tune of "Ohh, Summer Wine" in the refrain.

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In an interview I saw, Nimoy said they came to him while they were filming the episode before this one, and said for the next episode they needed a song that sounded like a Renaissance tune, and by the way, he would be singing it in that episode. So he went home and wrote "Maiden Wine" over the weekend.
 
In an interview I saw, Nimoy said they came to him while they were filming the episode before this one, and said for the next episode they needed a song that sounded like a Renaissance tune, and by the way, he would be singing it in that episode. So he went home and wrote "Maiden Wine" over the weekend.

That's probably true then, but I'd still say his influence was "Summer Wine." It's funny that they would ask Nimoy to write a song, instead of Alexander Courage. But things like that do happen.

I wonder if Courage went around telling people, "It wasn't me." :alienblush:
 
I hate "Plato's Stepchildren". It's a 1.
That's how I view it s well.

Yes, it has the first interracial kiss on U.S. TV between White and African American actors; but even in context of the story presented, said kiss is because both participants are being forced against their will to do it. Yes, I could definitely see both characters wanting to do it consensually under different circumstances; but that's NOT the story being presented here.

It's not a result of a progressive of forward thinking element - although I guess it's 'forward thinking' for the 60s in that no one on the production team said, 'let's rewrite that scene with a stand in minor guest star 'love interest' for Kirk that's white so we don't show something so politically charged...' <--- Which it WAS at that time (1968).
^^^
But yeah, if not for that aspect, I doubt this episode would rate highly as some's favorite Star Trek episode.

This episode's overall story is just another example of how the writing went to shit during TOS S3.
 
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