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New Netflix Series: "Terminator Zero"

JD said:
With it turning out that Skynet was based off of the first T-800's arm
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Chip. :)

JD said:
I'm a little surprised we haven't gotten a storyline like that yet in the franchise.
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Dark Fate basically did that. Skynet no longer exists, (arguably) mostly thanks to time-meddling*.

Nothing is done with the notion though, the movie lazily just has a Skynet substitute named Legion.

*If Skynet had not sent a Terminator to 1995 (leading to the Resistance sending one too) then it's pretty unlikely that Sarah and/or John would have tracked down Dyson prior to Judgment Day and somehow convinced him to help them.
 
Yeah, you guys are probably right.

On a side note, the whole Skynet/Legion thing was my biggest disappointment with Dark Fight. I really enjoyed it overall, but it would have been nice if they'd done more to make Legion different from Skynet, because the way it turned out Legion basically felt like Skynet with a different name. It just realized that maybe that was the whole point, that even though Skynet was gone, something just like it still popped up?
 
JD said:
It just realized that maybe that was the whole point, that even though Skynet was gone, something just like it still popped up?
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Yeah, basically. The concept was updated for modern times, so that instead of arising from a Cold War military computer, it emerged from cloud computing.
 
Christopher said:
Yeah, basically. The concept was updated for modern times, so that instead of arising from a Cold War military computer, it emerged from cloud computing.
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Na.

Doctor Who Actor Matt Smith, played the t-5000,which was (the producers told us behind the scenes) Skynet from a future parallel time line, who was just fooling around time jacking.
 
David cgc said:
That was Genisys, the one before Dark Fate.
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Terminator III, which is probably what Christopher was talking about, Rise of the Machines, was already cloud computing. Skynet was an antiviris, that was attacking a virus created by Skynet in the Future and delivered by the timetravelling Terminatrix. "Arnold" made a point of saying that young Skynet was un-nukable because it did not have dedicated servers like in the "original" timeline which Kyle from the "first" timeline described.

Genisys was a cloud computing personal assistant that networks all your files and devices, something apple has been doing since the 90s.

There was no Skynet in Dark Fate. The US Out Sourced to Mexico, because no one can afford to pay Americans to build anything any more. So Legion did all it's shit south of the border. Maybe America wasn't nuked, and the future was all about Robots crawling out of a radioactive South America? Or the Robots were Happy in South America and there was an pleasant equilibrium where Mexico was dominated by AI, and the rest of the world just ignored it? Seriously how do you get the super powers to saturate Mexico with atomic devastation?

OMG.

The President found out about the future, from all the movies happening in the past, and they GAVE Mexico to Skynet, who turned out to be Legion. But according to the wiki I read, Legion just plain Hitler in Polanded Humanity and they nuked back.

Nothing ironic, or a sad story about an angry child afraid of death (the off switch).

Legion is just an asshole.

What a dumb movie.
 
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I'm still on the fence but I'm willing to give it a shot.
 
Looks like Terminator: Zero New Ideas, amirite?! I'm no anime expert, but that teaser strikes me as extremely generic.

Genisys was awful, Dark Fate sucked, and the all the attempted (and quite bonkers!) originality was surgically removed from Salvation prior to its release.

"It's dead, Jim."
 
Starbrow said:
Why it's so brutal? So much gore, wasn't ready for that... :eek:
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Yeah.... I'm not 100% sure about that either. I haven't seen a single episode of The Boys, because the trailers gave me the same thing that made me stop watching GoT; gore and sex for the sake of getting attention, and losing plot and character because of it.
I was pretty, and still am, pretty stoked for this show. But the amount of gore is a bit OTT alright.
 
The earlier Judgment Day happens, the less advanced Skynet and humanity is, the closer Skynet gets to winning.
 
Yeah, that was a bit violent. Reminded me of Berserk a little, which I enjoy. I'll give it a watch. That being said, I can definitely see it being a turn off for some.
 
Mage said:
Yeah.... I'm not 100% sure about that either. I haven't seen a single episode of The Boys, because the trailers gave me the same thing that made me stop watching GoT; gore and sex for the sake of getting attention, and losing plot and character because of it.
I was pretty, and still am, pretty stoked for this show. But the amount of gore is a bit OTT alright.
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TBF, the gore and sex in GoT is pretty consistent with the books.
 
DonIago said:
TBF, the gore and sex in GoT is pretty consistent with the books.
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And The Boys, as well, based on what I've heard (though I haven't read them myself).

The Boys also has quite a lot of character and plot. In fact, the people I talked to who read it all said the show vastly improved the far more shallow source material.
 
Gaith said:
Looks like Terminator: Zero New Ideas, amirite?! I'm no anime expert, but that teaser strikes me as extremely generic.

Genisys was awful, Dark Fate sucked, and the all the attempted (and quite bonkers!) originality was surgically removed from Salvation prior to its release.

"It's dead, Jim."
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While I do like Salvation, I do agree that Genisys was pretty trite and I've never seen Dark Fate, because I lost interest by that point. IMHO, I feel like the entire franchise has a paradox syndrome, and I don't mean plotwise, but from a production standpoint. With each new production, they keep going back trying to fix things, but end up making it even worse, so the franchise feels like one big mess. They keep repeating themselves and get successively less interesting with each one. I think that's because the franchise locked itself into a corner with Judgment Day.
 
Owain Taggart said:
While I do like Salvation, I do agree that Genisys was pretty trite and I've never seen Dark Fate, because I lost interest by that point. IMHO, I feel like the entire franchise has a paradox syndrome, and I don't mean plotwise, but from a production standpoint. With each new production, they keep going back trying to fix things, but end up making it even worse, so the franchise feels like one big mess. They keep repeating themselves and get successively less interesting with each one. I think that's because the franchise locked itself into a corner with Judgment Day.
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I actually liked Dark Fate a lot more than anything else since T2. And Salvation bored me more than Genisys, though both were pretty bad.

But ultimately I don't think the Terminator really has that much solid playing area as a franchise. Dark Fate was an improvement, but it was as much thanks to the nostalgia of Sarah Connor's return as anything to do with the story and I'm not sure I'd've liked it as much without Linda Hamilton as the story still felt extremely similar. The tv show with Summer Glau managed to stand out a bit just based on the fact that it was a tv show with wildly different pacing and setting details.

But other than those two, everything else since T2 has felt like people trying to rearrange the same basic movie concepts into barely different configurations to try to hide the fact that they can't really fit anything genuinely new into the franchise. (Often with the individual pieces not even being as well made *cough*every version of John Connor after T2*cough*). And I really don't know what else they can do without ditching the war between Skynet and John/humanity altogether, which wouldn't really be Terminator anymore.

The only thing that really sounds like a particularly promising idea to me is just doing a total reboot from the start with a three-five movie plan to actually build up a contiguous saga over the course of a whole series rather than every movie being conceived separately.

But maybe this one really has some kind of new angle to play.
 
I kind of wish Salvation had been more of a success because I think at this point I'd be more interested in exploring more of the post-Judgement Day future than just repeating the a Terminator comes back to the present to assassinate someone plot that every movie in the franchise has used. There's really only so many variations you can do on that same plot before it starts to feel repetitive.
 
I'd be down for post Judgment Day stories with no time travel. I'd very much prefer it at this point. (How do they not realize the folly of competing directly with T1/T2?)

But they needed a less shitty director than McG, and better writing than the abysmal, nonseniscal script that Salvation had. :)
 
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