If they had called it the Stargazer-A, ofc.
It makes you wonder why some ships are fortunate enough to get that added suffix and others get another registry.
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It makes you wonder why some ships are fortunate enough to get that added suffix and others get another registry.
Whoops, my bad.
The ships have to either a: be an Enterprise, or b: be introduced to the franchise after 2021.
Voyager says hi, and reminds you it was introduced to the franchise in 1995 and the first other Voyager with a letter at the end of the registry was seen in 2020. Both predate 2021.
Oops, got the year wrong.
The successor ships that receive the suffix have to be either a: be an Enterprise, or b: be introduced to the franchise after 2020.
USS Relativity
The USS Relativity (NCV-474439-G) was a 29th century Federation Wells-class starship operated by Starfleet. The timeship was commissioned at the University of Copernicus, and was initially under the command of Captain Braxton. The vessel was equipped with powerful sensors capable of scanning...
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Damn, you got me, I was not aware of that. Now I'm wondering if there were 6 other time ships called Relativity.USS Relativity
The USS Relativity (NCV-474439-G) was a 29th century Federation Wells-class starship operated by Starfleet. The timeship was commissioned at the University of Copernicus, and was initially under the command of Captain Braxton. The vessel was equipped with powerful sensors capable of scanning...
No love for the Yamato?
I loved the NCC-1305-E, and found it annoying that they felt the need to change the registry for whatever reason.
There's also the USS Tikhov NCC-1067-M, which would imply that the NCC-1067-A-through-L exists and started as far back as pre-TOS, since Burnham was aware of the name use.
There's also the USS Tikhov NCC-1067-M, which would imply that the NCC-1067-A-through-L exists and started as far back as pre-TOS, since Burnham was aware of the name use.
According to Memory Alpha, they already had the decals finished for Contagion when the wrong registry was used in Where Silence Has Lease. The dialogue wasn't fixed because the scene got removed entirely, only to be added back in later.
And assorted fan sources posited a precursor ship, including the Baton Rouge-class, as the first 'NCC-1305'.
Could continue into Strange New Worlds, maybe, as something like a Shephard-class? But I don't really expect it to, either. We might see the first Tikhov, though.
The dedication plaque does say "Seventh ship to bear the name." Though that itself is rather problematic, given G is the seventh letter of the alphabet and that would mean the first Relativity was NCV-474439-A rather than just regular NCV-474439. Eh clearly whoever did up the plaque forgot to make the appropriate adjustment.
The Yamato is always a gray area for me given what we saw in Where Silence Has Lease was a fake ship and when the real Yamato showed up in Contagion it had a different registry. Yes, I know, fake ship temporarily fooled the Enterprise crew, meaning there should be some credence to it. Like I said, gray area.
Though while we're on the subject of fake ships which fooled the crew, USS Dauntless NX-01-A. Granted, that's an oddity given the actual NX-01 was later revealed to not even be named Dauntless. And when an actual Dauntless showed in Prodigy's first season, it has a completely different registry.
The story I heard was that the writer of Where Silence Has Lease though all 24th century registry numbers were four digit numbers with a letter added at the end, and the correction was made in Contagion at Gene's behest.
You absolutely can do that, but in the grand scheme it becomes generally irrelevant to discussions. Paramount/CBS deciding what is canon gives us a common framework to discuss. If you are only going to use what you personally decide, that's ok... but it makes having discussions on a forum particularly difficult as we aren't necessarily discussing the same thing.
Maybe? Like I said, I don't know how a refit is defined in a fictional 23rd or 25th century.
There was nothing of any substance left of the TOS Enterprise when the refit happened. I can't recognise a single piece of the hull from before.
This is the answer.
We KNOW that Starfleet doesn't use terminology exactly as we would in 2024, especially when it comes to military-type things.
"Refit" simply doesn't mean exactly the same thing in 2399 as it does in 2024.
There are few scattered examples prior to that. The Voyager crew had no qualms accepting Dauntless as "NX-01-A", even though it makes absolutely no sense in retrospect now. (I assume that the suffix doesn't ALWAYS have to be combined with a name... in this case, NX-01-A was referencing "a ship with a new type of warp drive", rather than "a new Enterprise".)
By and large though, adding a letter suffix definitely becomes much more widespread in the very late 24th century.
Of course.
In this case, it seems like exactly that. The hull of the ship is much different... but much of the internals seem to be the same. We know Titan-A had the same computer core.
It's the old philosophical discussion of "what makes a ship a ship", if you took an old wooden sailing vessel and replaced every single piece of wood, is it still the same ship?
But this isn't a ship of Theseus discussion. They took parts and slapped them in another ship.
I guess they refit the parts for a new fit?
The USS Enterprise CVN-65 has been decommissioned and is in the process of being scrapped. Over 35,000 lbs of steel from CVN-65 is being put into her successor, USS Enterprise CVN-80, a new Gerald R. Ford Class.
Is the CVN-80 a refit of the CVN-65?
It is by Lord Terry's logic.
Is the CVN-80 a refit of the CVN-65?
It is by Lord Terry's logic.
Yeah, no, doesn't work that way. I mean, even ignoring that "refit" is not a military term at all, but then I gave up a long time ago expecting anyone on this forum to understand what is or isn't military. But putting that aside, the reason nautical terminology and culture was chosen to be used within Star Trek was to be a frame of reference for modern audiences to understand what the characters are talking about. The word refit was originally chosen because it's something someone can learn from modern day sources to learn what it means. To say "that term must have a different meaning in the future" defeats the whole purpose behind the worldbuilding and why that particular term was chosen in the first place.
I know, I know, Lord Terry, Patron Saint of the Wank and Gene's Holy Prophet is well regarded by a certain crowd, but the only logical explanation for refit being used in the context it's been on Picard is that he doesn't know the meaning of the word and used it incorrectly. Though of course, saying Lord Terry was wrong appears to be hella controversial in some parts these days.
We also have this lovely little bit of concept art that just adds further insult to injury.
Somehow a mostly intact USS Titan is being refit into a mostly complete USS Titan-A.
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