Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[fireproof78]

I (sarcastically) love some people's mentality of "I don't see it, so it doesn't exist".

Rude.

I don't have these experiences. I'm sure they exist but it is not part of my experience. Am I supposed to conjure it up?


Talk to real people? That's literally my job! I have Star Wars and Star Trek items decorating my office. I have family members who enjoy Star Trek yet don't talk about it.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Rude.

I don't have these experiences. I'm sure they exist but it is not part of my experience. Am I supposed to conjure it up?


Talk to real people? That's literally my job! I have Star Wars and Star Trek items decorating my office. I have family members who enjoy Star Trek yet don't talk about it.

It's not about conjuring things up.
It's about not assuming that because we don't experience or see something that it doesn't exist.

Not directed at you, but there's a definite pattern of people thinking their experiences and feelings are the universal ones simply because it's theirs. Not acknowledging there's a whole world out there that may actually be overall contradictory.

"I hate character A, nobody in my immediate circle says otherwise, therefore everyone must also hate character A, or should since I do" type of thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Not directed at you, but there's a definite pattern of people thinking their experiences and feelings are the universal ones simply because it's theirs. Not acknowledging there's a whole world out there that may actually be overall contradictory.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

While Plato and Atistotle both heavily disagreed with the (very contradictory) sentiment. Which obviously wasn't meant to represent a factual subject. "Water is cold" applies, absolutely. "Water doesn't exist" does not.

 

[fireproof78]

While Plato and Atistotle both heavily disagreed with the (very contradictory) sentiment. Which obviously wasn't meant to represent a factual subject. "Water is cold" applies, absolutely. "Water doesn't exist" does not.

The point being that people, by their nature, tend to view the world through their own experiences, and filter them as such. Arguing that something must exist/not exist doesn't change that perspective. Saying "I have encounters all the time with Trek fans" and then implying people don't go out in to the world is just as odd to me as saying "people don't talk about new Trek."

Like, I've experienced both things, but I experience the later more than the former.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

But for people to say "This does not happen", it just takes 1 example of it happening to automatically refute it completely.

Ie, "Nobody talks about Picard".
"Actually, here's a link where they do on Twitter."
"I don't use Twitter, nobody talks about Picard!"

Things like that are more denial than substantive conversation.

 

[fireproof78]

But for people to say "This does not happen", it just takes 1 example of it happening to automatically refute it completely.

Ie, "Nobody talks about Picard".
"Actually, here's a link where they do on Twitter."
"I don't use Twitter, nobody talks about Picard!"

Things like that are more denial than substantive conversation.

I'm more of the attitude that if it is happening on Twitter I'm afraid I just don't know what that means. I haven't had conversations on Twitter, I don't know how, and what conversations are shared elsewhere sound more dramatic than a substantial conversation either.

Also, to be perfectly blunt, the example I saw provided wasn't just Twitter but also in person.

 

[Dukhat]

Ie, "Nobody talks about Picard".
"Actually, here's a link where they do on Twitter."
"I don't use Twitter, nobody talks about Picard!"

Nobody is saying that. They are saying that they don't care about the opinions of people who post on social media, because, quite frankly, they are usually idiots.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Nobody is saying that. They are saying that they don't care about the opinions of people who post on social media, because, quite frankly, they are usually idiots.

However, people on random message boards...

 

[Reanok]

I liked Ed Speelers as Jack Crusher it's too bad they didn't go with a Legacy series I wish it we'd get a movie or a series I miss seeing the Picard cast in a series I liked to see Gates reprise her role as Beverley Crusher again.

 

[Dukhat]

However, people on random message boards...

I tend to find that for the most part, the people who post here generally know what they're talking about. Social media is just the land of '7of9! KEWL!!!' and others who just have very little clue.

 

[Dukhat]

Dave Blass did say that he would change the G's interior here and there, so altering old SNW sets would be a cost-effective option. Depending, on course, of he is part of a potential spinoff.

I say 'old' sets based on the idea that it won't happen until SNW is over. Two Star Trek shows per year seems tragically optimistic, but it could be far far worse.

It would also depend on where the show was filmed. I would think it would be more logical to build new sets instead of having to haul old sets around to some other location.

 

[HotRod]

However, people on random message boards...

I don't think anyones livelihood here is dependent on the amount of likes or views their posts get. That alone makes the opinions of people on random message boards carry far more value to me than the "like and subscribe" parts of the fandom.

 

[Frontis]

It is another generation. I grew up without a mobile and without social media and that's why it doesn't mean so much to me. I don't say it's generally a bad thing but the younger generation takes it too serious and gives it too much importance.

 

[fireproof78]

If we're talking about a TV show I'd say we've long crossed over the taking too serious and importance line regardless of platform.

 

[Lord Garth]

I tend to find that for the most part, the people who post here generally know what they're talking about. Social media is just the land of '7of9! KEWL!!!' and others who just have very little clue.

This.

It's why I'm still here after 25 years, even though there have been a few times I've thought "The Hell with it!" and have wanted to leave. Then I see the cesspit that makes up a lot of Facebook and YouTube Comments Sections.

 

[TedShatner10]

This.

It's why I'm still here after 25 years, even though there have been a few times I've thought "The Hell with it!" and have wanted to leave. Then I see the cesspit that makes up a lot of Facebook and YouTube Comments Sections.

Also Reddit can be pretty bad too (but not as terrible and cult-like as many Facebook Groups, where you can suddenly get kicked off of them for any and all reasons if you try to engage with them).

 

[Firebird]

I liked Ed Speleers, but I could care less about anyone else. Certainly not 7 of 9.

Discovery season 2 did far more to make me want to see a continuation of Pike's adventures aboard the Enterprise than Picard season 3 managed with Seven's Enterprise. Even the ending scene aboard Pike's Enterprise was more organic than the obviously-pleading-to-the-network-for-a-spinoff Lord Matalas wrote.

 

[Lord Garth]

Also Reddit can be pretty bad too (but not as terrible and cult-like as many Facebook Groups, where you can suddenly get kicked off of them for any and all reasons if you try to engage with them).

Hmmm.

Regardless of platform, I think bashers are the same everywhere. It applies to any and every series. No matter how much they try dress it up as something else. The mean-spiritedness, the need to have a punching bag, and the desire to trash something someone else likes is an attitude all bashers have in common.

There's a difference between actually being critical of something and just trashing it. And I've observed this with all the series, going back to TNG. Probably TOS too, but I wasn't born yet. And it continues all the way up to the present, just with different people bashing different series. Including Discovery, including Strange New Worlds, and including Picard.

To say nothing about the bashing that goes on in other franchises. In general, I think it's just best to ignore Toxic Fans of any stripe, just enjoy the shows you like, and skip over any you don't.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Discovery season 2 did far more to make me want to see a continuation of Pike's adventures aboard the Enterprise than Picard season 3 managed with Seven's Enterprise. Even the ending scene aboard Pike's Enterprise was more organic than the obviously-pleading-to-the-network-for-a-spinoff Lord Matalas wrote.

I agree 100%. I watched Disco's second season mainly for Pike because what a guy, what a performance - and I wanted to see more of his adventures. Granted, Pike had always been one of my top three starship captains and I always felt he deserved more attention than a pilot episode that never aired and a two-part TOS flashback episode, but still. PIC's third season only made me think "I'm not taking your badfic nostalgia bait, Matalas, go away". (And I don't think anyone can accuse me of not being the target audience in this case, lol.) But Disco with Pike? I didn't even like the plot of the second season. But Pike left such an impression that I really wanted to see more. It seemed like an interesting and fresh and suddenly very possible approach to a character we knew very little about whereas PIC and Legacy just make me think "TNG kids in space with lots of nostalgia bait due to guest appearances, no thanks".

What I'm saying is that the intention here is too obvious for me. They shoehorned Jack Crusher in through an absolutely nonsensical plot just so that Jean-Luc now has a kid as well so that the TNG Kids In Space approach can work. Again, no thanks. With Pike it felt more natural somehow - they brought him in for one season and the performance and the character convinced so many people that there was more to this. (I don't think a Pike spin-off was as blatantly intented here. It was probably seen as a possibility should the fans like him, but I don't think they counted on this in the same way Matalas seems to have counted on his Legacy concept.)