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Name it something other than Arizona.

The Arizona is a mass grave. Too many people died there. :(

The interesting thing about Space Battleship Yamato is how its a reflection of Japanese culture in a similar way as Star Trek says a lot about American optimism, especially of the 1960s. Both properties express a lot about how cultural baggage is filtered through the space opera formula.

Both series are centered on vessels carrying the names of famous WWII warships.

But Yamato feels like the fantasy of a culture that suffered scars and gets a future where those scars get to be corrected. The Enterprise is a lucky ship that endures just like her WWII counterpart and always saves the day. The Yamato is a refurbished wreck that's the last hope of a nearly defeated people.

And, in the end, the Yamato gets to be the super-weapon it was designed to be. The people in Space Battleship Yamato get to reverse the radiation and bombing that they've endured.
 
He was mistakenly identified as Canadian in the TNG episode Lower Decks. (We learn by doing.)
Ah, right. Riker explicitly denies he's Canadian, after the waiter thinks and has told others that he is.

It's worth noting that nationality appears to work differently than it does today, seemingly a mere indication of geographical affinity? It's been said to work differently in other episodes as well, but I don't have a list handy at the moment.
 
I think this supports my point. When a new, non human ship name is depicted on screen we get a brief mention of what the ship is named after. Unless, as noted above, the fans already recognize the name like the USS Surak.

If I'm wrong then please point out to me an episode where a Starfleet or Federation ship named after anything alien to Earth is mentioned in dialog and the name is not explained to the audience.

Did I miss the scene in “Take Me Out to the Holosuite” where they explained to us who or what T’Kumbra was?
 
An American show based on novels by two American writers, produced by Americans.

So?

The series of books isn't set up to be "Space America" and neither is the show's casting.
  • Plenty of actors were cast who aren't North American (Dominque Tipper, Florence Faivre, Shoresh Aghdashloo, Frankie Adams, etc.)
  • Lots of actors/characters are multiracial and/or from ethic backgrounds which aren't really immediately clear to Americans. This makes sense from a worldbuilding perspective, as of course there will be more mixed race folks in the future, particularly off earth.
  • The show went pretty deep into worldbuilding with Belter Creole, meaning even actors like Cara Gee, David Straitham, and Jared Harris came across as "foreign" in a way they wouldn't with Canadian and British accents respectively. I think an argument can be made that essentially all belters (other than those who tried to "assimilate" like Miller) are coded as non-white within the setting.
I think it's still arguable that white folks and American/Canadian actors are overrepresented. But considering they shot in Toronto (the same as Discovery) it's notable the extent to which the show tried to depict a future solar system as diverse in a global sense, and culturally alien from our experience. This stands in contrast with the somewhat bland, deracinated, decultured way that Trek has depicted future mankind.
 
This stands in contrast with the somewhat bland, deracinated, decultured way that Trek has depicted future mankind.
The Expanse (I love the Expanse) also depicts a Solar System on the brink of interplanetary war. (Belters would find the term interplanetary to be exclusionary, I'm sure.) If you're looking for a show about peace and harmony it isn't The Expanse.

(I finally got to read the last novella last week.)
 
The Expanse (I love the Expanse) also depicts a Solar System on the brink of interplanetary war. (Belters would find the term interplanetary to be exclusionary, I'm sure.) If you're looking for a show about peace and harmony it isn't The Expanse.

(I finally got to read the last novella last week.)

But I mean the point is that a remark that of course a North American show will depict a cultural landscape familiar to North Americans just isn't true.

Hell, if I wanted to go further afield, there's now a well-trod tradition of American shows explicitly depicting East Asian settings, from ATLA to Blue Eye Samuri and Shogun.

North American audiences don't require North American-esque settings!
 
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