What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I wouldn't go that far. (Nice Futurama avatar BTW!)
I can honestly say that i've heard and read a near-endless variety of negative criticism about TMP over the decades, but yours is a new take to say the least.
Data isn’t a Spock clone. He’s the opposite of Spock. Spock suppresses his humanity in favour of his Vulcan half. Data chases an elusive idea of humanity that’s always one step ahead of him.
Worf is closer to Spock in terms of how he’s used on TNG. The outsider torn between two worlds.
Worf is closer to Spock in terms of how he’s used on TNG. The outsider torn between two worlds.
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Data is essentially Xon, from the aborted Star Trek II TV series. Just like Riker and Troi were reformulated Decker and Ilia.
So just to be clear...I love movies 2-6.
You love Star Trek V: The Final Frontier...
...But you hate Star Trek: The Motion Picture!?
So just to be clear...
You love Star Trek V: The Final Frontier...
...But you hate Star Trek: The Motion Picture!?
Precisely.
Final Frontier isn’t great but it’s not the sin against god and man people make it out to be.
It’s got easily the best Kirk, Spock and McCoy material since TOS and “Why does God need a starship?” Is an all time line that only Captain Kirk would ask.
Better than TMP…I wouldn’t agree with that. But better than Generations, Into Darkness, Trek ‘09, Insurrection and Nemesis. Yeah, I’d be down with that.
It’s got easily the best Kirk, Spock and McCoy material since TOS and “Why does God need a starship?” Is an all time line that only Captain Kirk would ask.
Better than TMP…I wouldn’t agree with that. But better than Generations, Into Darkness, Trek ‘09, Insurrection and Nemesis. Yeah, I’d be down with that.
Kirk’s “I need my pain” speech is classic too.
I think TMP is the worst Star Trek movie of all time. I’d watch TFF on a continuous loop for days before sitting through TMP again.
And this used to be a classy neighborhood.
This place wouldn't have class if it were a hall at an Ivy League university.
Interesting bit of trivia:
Adjusting for inflation, The Motion Picture is still the second most successful Star Trek movie in the entire franchise, just slightly behind (2009), in terms of overall gross and ticket sales.
On the other hand, a LOT of distinctive elements of the TOS movies and the overall franchise comes out of The Motion Picture.Kirk’s “I need my pain” speech is classic too.
I think TMP is the worst Star Trek movie of all time. I’d watch TFF on a continuous loop for days before sitting through TMP again.
For example:
- Jerry Goldsmith's theme.
- For the most part, it solidifies the basic aesthetics of the Star Trek universe, updating the TOS designs instead of taking them back to square one and not overly rethinking the entire dynamic of what the ships looked like and how the crew functions (e.g., the Klingons would retain this appearance for almost the next 40 years).
- Kirk beginning to realize his place is with the Enterprise, and how unhappy he is when he's not in that chair.
- Spock's rejection of the Kohlinar is symbolic, and by the end of the movie I think he realizes that there's value in a "third way." That logic is "the beginning of wisdom," but the connections and affection he gets from the Enterprise "family" is something worthwhile.
And part of the movie is the idea of how can people (i.e., Kirk, Spock, etc.) who can't be honest with themselves about their wants and desires expect to talk to something truly alien about what it wants and needs?
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Sure the box office did well with a decade of pent up anticipation. It also has a dismal 42% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Bottom line, for me personally, the movie was boring as fuck.
YMMV.
Without question, TMP is far superior to INSURRECTION, NEMESIS, 09, INTO DARKNESS. It also edges past GENERATIONS.
According to Rotten Tomatoes Zootopia is a better movie than Citizen Kane.
That does require the Enterprise to have been refit back and forth a couple of times. I don’t actually have a problem with that, though many undoubtedly will.
Bingo. You can't really go by Rotten Tomatoes scores often because it's pretty unreliable.
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