Spoilers Could it be that we actually already saw 32nd century Klingons, without realizing it?

[MakeshiftPython]

Oh, I do not want an explanation. That two parter of ENTERPRISE was IMO a complete waste of time.

That said, I do like how PIC gave the simplest explanation for why there are Romulan with V ridges “they’re northerners”. Just one sussinct line that doesn’t take up a whole two episodes. Not that I needed an equivalent of that for Klingons. DS9 turning that conversation into a joke was perfect and didn’t need any further elaboration.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

And that's a modification I don't mind. The whole binning it in the name of Klingon consistency is absurd because they were not that consistent. Even in the same story like TUC. Where's all the explanations for those changes that apparently are no big deal?

Klingons were pretty much consistent from Star Trek 3 to Enterprise s4, and even The Motion Picture Klingons are 90% of the way to the final makeup. They have different forehead ridges like a fingerprint, but they share a similar look that becomes very obvious if you compare them to a Kelvin Klingon's ridges. If you really want an explanation for why Chang and Azetbur had such subtle ridges, you can blame the augment virus! Personally I never needed one, because it's no big deal.

Discovery had its chance to establish T'Kuvma's Klingons as being another alien race in the Empire, or an ancient tribe returned from exile or suspended animation, but instead it made it clear that they were regular normal average Klingons and you clearly can't have them and Worf at the same time.

 

[fireproof78]

but instead it made it clear that they were regular normal average Klingons and you clearly can't have them and Worf at the same time.

Yes, I can.

 

[cultcross]

The hand signal, is Vulcan sign language. It translates to "Die now in poverty!" so yes I think the Klingons may have won a war against the Vulcans and diddled through the survivors like a sex buffet.

On Friday, you were cautioned about these horrible posts:

OK dude, this is over the top on the misogyny scale. Dial it back, dial it back a lot. This isn’t a site for torture fantasy porn.

As you didn't listen, an infraction has been issued. Comments to PM.

 

[urbandk]

Any Star Trek show could retcon the Discovery klingons in 15 seconds of dialogue. Enterprise turned the whole thing into a stupid soong story (Picard season 2 anyone?). One thing modern Trek has done right is not treat alien cultures like monoliths. I sometimes laugh about how every klingon in existence wakes up, crimps their hair, and puts on that stupid uniform. Imagine saying something similar about an American and a Pacific islander, or someone from sub Saharan Africa

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Any Star Trek show could retcon the Discovery klingons in 15 seconds of dialogue. Enterprise turned the whole thing into a stupid soong story (Picard season 2 anyone?). One thing modern Trek has done right is not treat alien cultures like monoliths. I sometimes laugh about how every klingon in existence wakes up, crimps their hair, and puts on that stupid uniform. Imagine saying something similar about an American and a Pacific islander, or someone from sub Saharan Africa

Most Klingons we see out in space are out there because they're in the military, so it makes sense they'd be fairly uniform in their costuming.

But there are also lawyers, scientists, plastic surgeons etc. And presumably lots of hairdressers.

 

[FredH]

I can’t truly be the only one who pretty much liked the entire series fine, complete with direction changes? My only real complaint about it was the “physics is biology” nonsense and the related lack of real explanation for Culver’s resurrection. But I enjoyed the characters and, really, the entire journey.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Most Klingons we see out in space are out there because they're in the military, so it makes sense they'd be fairly uniform in their costuming.

But there are also lawyers, scientists, plastic surgeons etc. And presumably lots of hairdressers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The nostril thing never bothered me. TNG Klingons always had a funky indent where the appliance meets the actual nose. That easy to interpret as nostrils

 

[Dukhat]

The two penises, though, are another matter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The two penises, though, are another matter.

Seems redundant.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I just head canon that they just have two headed penises rather than two shafts. Like echidnas having four headed penises.

Two heads are better than one…

Okay, I’m heading out…

 

[Mudd]

I think it's important to note that while Glenn Hetrick was kept on as Disco's makeup head through the entire run of the show (a rarity, considering turnover BTS), his designs seem to have had zero pull anywhere else in modern Trek. Each of the makeup departments just did its own thing, which, for the most part, meant hewing closer to historic Trek makeup (and not using so many ridiculous full-face masks).

In the end, I think basically all of the ultra-elaborate Disco designs will be memory holed.

Yep.

 

[eschaton]

Anyway, my headcanon regarding the appearance of Klingons in DIS Seasons 1/2 is it's a reflection on Michael Burnham being an unreliable narrator. She hates/fears Klingons due to her childhood trauma, and thus views them as monstrous. Hence, they look monstrous to us.

 

[fireproof78]

I figured it was inbreeding and genetic engineering to try and reverse the evil augment virus.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anyway, my headcanon regarding the appearance of Klingons in DIS Seasons 1/2 is it's a reflection on Michael Burnham being an unreliable narrator. She hates/fears Klingons due to her childhood trauma, and thus views them as monstrous. Hence, they look monstrous to us.

My head hurts from the mental gymnastics of that.

 

[Lord Garth]

The series is over now, and we'll never see them again, so...

Anyway, my headcanon regarding the appearance of Klingons in DIS Seasons 1/2 is it's a reflection on Michael Burnham being an unreliable narrator. She hates/fears Klingons due to her childhood trauma, and thus views them as monstrous. Hence, they look monstrous to us.

Works for me!

 

[fireproof78]

My head hurts from the mental gymnastics of that.

Especially given the trend towards strict literalism with Star Trek-except when it isn't actually literal history. Then we ignore that!

 

[eschaton]

Especially given the trend towards strict literalism with Star Trek-except when it isn't actually literal history. Then we ignore that!

Strict literalism in visual elements in Star Trek is dumb, IMHO. Do you really think that things like the "mood lighting" exist in-universe? Or that recast characters get cosmetic surgery? Or that the Universal Translator also changes lips to sync with English? Or that the black tape now visible in TNG HD remasters is actually on the real bridge?

Trek is, at best, a dramatization of the "real world" historical events that happen in the Trekverse. I can take those events at face value, but not the exact method in which they're shown.

 

[fireproof78]

Strict literalism in visual elements in Star Trek is dumb, IMHO. Do you really think that things like the "mood lighting" exist in-universe? Or that recast characters get cosmetic surgery? Or that the Universal Translator also changes lips to sync with English? Or that the black tape now visible in TNG HD remasters is actually on the real bridge?

Trek is, at best, a dramatization of the "real world" historical events that happen in the Trekverse. I can take those events at face value, but not the exact method in which they're shown.

I tend to leans towards you but again it's not just my view but how I see interpreted by fans.