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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"
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Interesting how Discovery's run, beginning to end, was exactly 30 years after TNG's, down to the month (which is saying something since Sept-May isn't the norm anymore).
And 2 less seasons and 113 less episodes. And nowhere near as good.
But that is an interesting coincidence.
I was actually half joking but yeah ENT:TATV is certainly the worst finale of any series, not just Star Trek franchise.
The only thing comparatively I'd say remotely bad are the two(!!) Dexter finales. Dexter fans got cucked twice!
I can theoretically see going a step further - finding out that you're a creation of an ancient alien species is one thing, finding out how they did it is another. But the answer wasn't interesting (another set of even "ancient-er" aliens created it) and it can create life and new worlds, but it's not clear to what end other than to create weird science experiments. It is the secret to life, but even in the 24th century the Founders were growing soldiers out of nothing, so it's not clear what you would use it to do. It's somehow a little more mundane now that it's just a piece of technology.
That's what I mean - it's perfectly viable as a weapon. What use does it have otherwise though? Even by TOS era, we know they can terraform planets. Maybe they can do it faster, but it hardly seems life changing.
Saying that they can't re-make people prevents a storytelling dead end of no one can die, but the technology seemingly has no peaceful purpose otherwise... so in fact, the only real choice Burnham had was to destroy it.
It's no the same as terraforming. With terraforming, you can bring life from another planet to a new planet. With this you can create whatever life you want in whatever form you want.
I was actually half joking but yeah ENT:TATV is certainly the worst finale of any series, not just Star Trek franchise.
The only thing comparatively I'd say remotely bad are the two(!!) Dexter finales. Dexter fans got cucked twice!
I was thinking of seeing the Dexter sequel series sometimes, are you saying it's not worth it?
TOS got a pretty shitty finale too. Maybe even worse than Enterprise. TaTV at least didn't say "She couldn't be happy being...just a woman". But yeah, Discovery has the 3rd worst finale, but only because TNG, DS9, Voyager and Picard had quite good finales.
So does flying out of one.
The Federation could do that in the 24th Century
In fact, it was an actual plot point in one of the Lower Decks episode when Tendi did just that and created The Dog.
I wouldn’t count the VOYAGER finale as “good”. It even feels half-assed compared to DISCO’s finale.
I don’t even consider TOS’ last episode a “finale”. Such things weren’t common in television back then. That’s why the first episode with Kirk (and Pike) aren’t framed a series premiere because pilots were just done as “this is what a typical episode would be like”. No lengthy character introductions and such.
I don’t even consider TOS’ last episode a “finale”. Such things weren’t common in television back then. That’s why the first episode with Kirk (and Pike) aren’t framed a series premiere because pilots were just done as “this is what a typical episode would be like”. No lengthy character introductions and such.
Best Finales: "All Good Things," "The Undiscovered Country," "What You Leave Behind," "Terra Prime," and "The Last Generation."
Worst Finales: "Turnabout Intruder," "Nemesis," "These Are the Voyages."
Yes, I know "Turnabout Intruder" and "Terra Prime" are not technically series finales. I don't really have an opinion in "The Counterclock Incident" from TAS.
I'd put this in the middle with "Endgame."
It was good but not great but wrapped things up in a perfectly acceptable manner.
I did like the epilogue Calypso/Daniels stuff.
As I was watching, I figured out the triangles quicker than Burnham and had a feeling she'd destroy the tech.
Worst Finales: "Turnabout Intruder," "Nemesis," "These Are the Voyages."
Yes, I know "Turnabout Intruder" and "Terra Prime" are not technically series finales. I don't really have an opinion in "The Counterclock Incident" from TAS.
I'd put this in the middle with "Endgame."
It was good but not great but wrapped things up in a perfectly acceptable manner.
I did like the epilogue Calypso/Daniels stuff.
As I was watching, I figured out the triangles quicker than Burnham and had a feeling she'd destroy the tech.
Go back and read the first media releases: the series was always about the rise -- and fall from grace, and eventual redemption -- of a female First Officer in Starfleet. I think they stuck to that pretty well.
I have read many comments of fans saying they intended to watch (or rewatch) all of "Enterprise" to learn more about Daniels. That has to be good for Paramount+ number counting.
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But they're in a post scarcity world and it seems like the only suffering that exists is because of their adherence to the Prime Directive and their unwillingness to help pre-war civilizations and non-Federation worlds. Clearly over population isn't an issue either if two people can have a private cabin in the woods, so it's not like they are running out of worlds to support life... so what possible use would someone have for creating worlds out of thin air?
Maybe I'm being short-sighted, but it feels like an upgrade from an iPhone 14 to an iPhone 15 rather than an update from the rotary phone to the cellphone.
A branch of the timeline that our crew avoided. Like the Kelvinverse, that future still exists out there. And the one where Spock died during his kahs-wan rehearsal and he was replaced by Thelin.
The Undiscovered Country
"All Good Things"
"The Last Generation" (Yes, I know where I put it. This is MY ranking.)
"What You Leave Behind"
"Life, Itself"
"Endgame"
"Terra Prime" (I just have less connection to the ENT characters, but I'm putting it in before the gap)
(gap)
"The Counter-Clock Incident"
(gap)
"Turnabout Intruder"
"These Are the Voyages"
Nemesis
Yes, I know I put TATV over NEM. At least TATV doesn't make me feel dour at the end.
"All Good Things"
"The Last Generation" (Yes, I know where I put it. This is MY ranking.)
"What You Leave Behind"
"Life, Itself"
"Endgame"
"Terra Prime" (I just have less connection to the ENT characters, but I'm putting it in before the gap)
(gap)
"The Counter-Clock Incident"
(gap)
"Turnabout Intruder"
"These Are the Voyages"
Nemesis
Yes, I know I put TATV over NEM. At least TATV doesn't make me feel dour at the end.
That was back when it was supposed to be an anthology. They should have changed focus when it was going to be ongoing
Even if Calypso was on their list of things to get to in season 6, it doesn't make the ending they wrote in the finale any better.
The anthology concept was nixed very early on, about as early as Fuller pitching it. By the time they were shooting the series they already knew it would be an ongoing show.
In retrospect, they should have just titled the show Star Trek: Michael Burnham, just to make it explicit to fans that keep griping over how she’s focused.
It wouldn't have made a difference. If it wasn't that, it would've been something else. At least with the more obstinate.
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Just noticed that in the Epilogue scenes, SMG is doing a tiny bit of channelling of Gabrielle Burnham. Especially the scene where Leto arrives at the cabin. Nicely done.
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