Kovich: Well I am allergic to Retinax V, didn't the glasses give that away? As for the wine you missed the fine print that says it's actually synthehol (a Paramount Plus banner on the bottom tells viewers to buy a 4K television if they can't see the writing on the wine label). As for the baseball, I met Gabriel Bell once and he promised that he'd come back and sign it for me somehow. I'm still waiting.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"
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They already have that tech, and have since the 24th century, it's called a Warp Field.
Do you not remember the Voyager episode Parallax?
Screencaps gallery for the finale is now online:
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-DSC5-10.php
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-DSC5-10.php
Was Zora in a dusty warehouse somewhere?
They looked like they rebooted her from standby mode for this mission.
They looked like they rebooted her from standby mode for this mission.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like "Life Itself's" retcon of Zora should be remembered as one of the worst retcons in the history of Star Trek (and there have been a lot of retcons over the decades). Heck, even Spock's much-derided secret siblings don't really drastically change the context of the original Spock stories.
What they did with Zora here is the equivalent of making Edith Keeler a secret agent of Wesley Crusher's who knew all along that Kirk would fall for her and was testing Kirk's fitness to not make any temporal violations.
What they did with Zora here is the equivalent of making Edith Keeler a secret agent of Wesley Crusher's who knew all along that Kirk would fall for her and was testing Kirk's fitness to not make any temporal violations.
Not anymore. Yes its horrendous but DSC's one in neck and neck to it.
Similar to BOTH of Dexter's finales
You’re clearly joking. No one in their right mind would suggest anything is as bad or worse as “These Are the Voyages”. Even if Disco’s finale bored me, it didn’t commit the deadly sins that the finale of Enterprise had.
Anyway, as far as finales go…
TNG - 5/5
DS9 - 4.5/5
PIC - 3.5/5
DIS - 3/5
VOY - 2/5
ENT - 1/5
Regarding sending Zora off to spend a millennia on her own, which certainly seems insanely cruel. I actually like the vagueness around the way it was set up; it leaves it wide open to head canon and future story possibilities.
My head canon already has it that Kovich/Daniels has been to some point in time beyond the meeting of Craft and Zora and somehow their meeting is a crucial intersection in the timeline—a something-something paradox, destined to be set up in advance. Somehow their highly unique relationship sets up some bold and exciting new storyline that’ll unfold in the 42nd century if anyone’s ever brave enough to write it.
It’ll never happen. But it would be cool if someday it did.
My head canon already has it that Kovich/Daniels has been to some point in time beyond the meeting of Craft and Zora and somehow their meeting is a crucial intersection in the timeline—a something-something paradox, destined to be set up in advance. Somehow their highly unique relationship sets up some bold and exciting new storyline that’ll unfold in the 42nd century if anyone’s ever brave enough to write it.
It’ll never happen. But it would be cool if someday it did.
Yes, I basically feel like Season 4 and 5 killed everything interesting about the time skip.
Craft is either Future Guy or the Borg King
I would think... yes... but rather than Daniovich encounter Craft/Zora in the future... he met them in the past. It's precisely why Discovery had to be defitted back to it's 23rd century configuration.
Discovery sits for another millennium in order to find Craft, and then -insert reasons- returns to the 23rd century to do something important to the timeline.
Or I suppose, we could consider that what we see on Discovery was actually something of a broken timeline and that Discovery was never supposed to quite do what it did, but Craft encountering Zora is still critically important... so in the "original timeline" Craft encountered the unaltered 23rd century Discovery, which had to be reset to preserve the events...
The original timeline Craft would've been a 33rd century inhabitant and there's no way they could assume that Craft would exist in the 43rd century.
Discovery still would have travelled to the 32nd century, it just didn't do what we saw.
I'm guessing, in my head version here, that they sent Discovery into the future with the sphere data but nobody was able to make it along with it. So the ship just shot through time on its own. And THEN it sat.
For you, apparently. Because...that wasn't funny.
From what we know of Calypso, Craft was adrift in space in his little pod.
Given the Red Directive nature of Zora's mission, he obviously plays a bigger role in the events to come, and in order to do that, Zora had to meet him, nurture him back to health, and then help him by giving him one of her remaining shuttles.
Perhaps meeting Zora is the context he needed to potentially understand the V'draysh/Federation isn't bad and they might be fighting for the wrong reasons?
We don't know.
There's a possibility that Disco's return to 23rd century config was intentional because it has to travel to the past (this is the single most logical reason behind bringing the ship to its old configuration - although, logic seldom works on Disco, so who knows), but its also possible that this mission was not just about Craft... it could also be about Zora to further mature (something she can only do in isolation), or because one of those 'it needs to happen' kind of thing, she HAS to wait for nearly 1000 years for Craft in that nebula.
Cruel perhaps, but its possible Burnham told Zora more right before disembarking... who knows.
Also... consider this: If the Progenitor tech is so dangerous it needs to be tossed into a black hole, then how does abandoning Zora (and the Sphere Data) make any kind of sense?
They already established that she's so important that they had to come to the future to protect against an AI apocalypse if she were to get in the wrong hands. But abandoning her in the middle of bumfuck nowhere for a millennia is now ok?
How does that make any sense in terms of consistency?
I prefer hyperbole and felt it was obvious. "You know what this episode needs? More Nazi killing!"
Guess you had to be there
You're assuming that the sphere data wasn't painfully obsolete by the time of the 32nd century and especially after the Temporal Wars.
Come to think of it, Gabrielle Burnham never did go back in time to her original death to get killed slowly and painfully by Klingons huh? Who exactly did kid Michael Burnham see get tortured to death by Klingons? Did Gabrielle during her red angel time hopping kidnap some hapless woman who resembled her and dumped her to face the Klingons' wrath?
Honestly, it doesn't.
The progenitor tech is no more dangerous than a simple photon torpedo being in the hands of a madman who could reconfigure it to do something terrible.
When Janeway described the 'warhead' they encountered in S5 as a 'Weapon of mass destruction', I laughed because Photon torpedoes pretty much do the same thing on a planetary surface (if not worse) much like what the Warhead's counterpart that veered off course and created a massive crater in a planetoid.
Seriously, some people who write for Trek honestly don't grasp how advanced and capable UFP tech actually is, and then they try to make a character display 'shock' when the word WMD is used... but their own weapons set to low settings in the 24th century can raze a planet extremely quickly and drill 10-12km deep holes into planetary crusts within seconds (suggesting high Gigaton level power output - at LOW phaser setting - and they had to be careful when doing it so as to not accidentally cause a chain reaction).
Also, the Progenitor tech Portal was put into the EVENT HORIZON of a black hole... not into the black hole itself.
But it was unnecessary.
Just grab the portal, take it back to UFP HQ and study the heck out of the advanced technology... you don't necessarily have to USE it, just study it to help advance your own tech further and maybe decide if you need to use it in the future (should it become necessary).
At any rate, I do agree that forcing Zora to do this on one hand bums me out,... but on another, she's following orders that only she can fulfil.
It doesn't matter because the show's over either way. For all we know someone did indeed go and grab the progenitor tech from the black hole anyway between Saru's wedding and the epilogue. It really wouldn't have made a difference as it's just a glorified genesis device anyway.
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