Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"

[jackoverfull]

A tepid ending for a tepid season of a tepid series.

Not much to say, nothing particularly exciting or unexpected (apart from the other primarch total disappearance and irrelevance…perhaps they were setting her up for season 6?). The Breen are adult dealt with (they don’t even bother showing decently discovery separating or the fighters being blown up!), the enigma with the triangles was obvious, the world between worlds was straight out of Star Wars, the progenitors aren’t really progenitors and someone else did it. The new technology is Indiana jonesed and will vanish forever. The tackled on ending seems straight out of the already uninspiring ending of Babylon V.
Moll I quickly becomes irrelevant as the rest of the plot.

This season was way better than the previous but didn’t really excite me at all.

By the way, why does Burnham suddenly attack Moll when they had just established a truce and then asks her to trust her again?!

didn’t really feel the need to explain calypso but ok, didn’t need to know that kovich was Daniel (for an instant I hoped they were going with something bold, like him being Picard, odo or data).

6. Yawn.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They are the originators of the current sentient life in the universe.

Whomever created the Progenitors created the Progenitors alone. The Progenitors, lonely, travelled the universe and 'found no one like them', they did, however find their creators technology and seeded 'us'. Burnham understood this and decided there was already enough IDIC in the universe and so let the technology go.

True, but they aren't the "Original" point for all Sentient/Sapient Life since the creation of the Universe, just for our side/section of the Milkyway Galaxy, one Galaxy out of many in this Universe.

They aren't the very original / first spark of life in our Universe, that's the point I'm trying to get at.

There's somebody else who created the Progenitors is what I'm getting at.

And they are, for a lack of a better term, "The Originators" of ALL Sentient / Sapient life.

Whomever that may be.

 

[Dar70]

I really enjoyed it. I knew the wrap up would be a bit rushed at the ending but I can forgive that since they had to go back and film a quick ending. I wish they had not done such a huge time jump. A few years at most would have been sufficient. That's a minor nitpicks though since the show is done now.

I'm happy I enjoyed a season of Discovery this much. The show went out with its best season as far as I'm concerned.

Give this ep a 9.

 

[Captrek]

I'm going to wait to rewatch for more thoughts about it, but I'm happy see the online community seems to feel the way I do about this historically great finale.

Historically great.

After DIS and PIC have given us a total of eight Trek seasons in this format, this was arguably the best of the eight. If you want to call that “historically great,” go ahead.

 

[thribs]

Issue I have with Michael is that she doesn’t come as likeable as a captain compared to the others. When she was talking to Moll, she just sounded smug and arrogant. I wouldn’t follow her either.

 

[fireproof78]

And they are, for a lack of a better term, "The Originators" of ALL Sentient / Sapient life.

Whomever that may be.

Probably God.

Afterall, Lucifer exists in Star Trek.

And Bob.

 

[jackoverfull]

Also, why are Moll and the breen shooting at each other? Last I checked those Breen soldiers were following her orders!

 

[Captrek]

Probably God.

Afterall, Lucifer exists in Star Trek.

And Bob.

Yup. God did it. And finally got what He deserved courtesy of a Klingon BOP.

 

[Yistaan]

Maybe Craft is straight up Future Guy and Future Guy's existence, like Khans, is necessary for the survival of the Federation. The undoing of Discos retrofit is to not provide Future Guy with any more technology than is necessary for him to have to fulfill his place in the timeline. Kovich obviously knows this having fought Future Guy in his youth.

Hey it's as good an explanation as any and likely more thought than Paramount has put into this plot thread as of right now

 

[Finn]

Also, why are Moll and the breen shooting at each other? Last I checked those Breen soldiers were following her orders!

I suspect Moll started it...

 

[fireproof78]

I suspect Moll started it...

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[MakeshiftPython]

Probably God.

Afterall, Lucifer exists in Star Trek.

And Bob.

The real answer is the koala. He KNOWS something we don’t!

 

[Tuskin38]

Kovich wasn’t always Daniels:

https://www.cinemablend.com/intervi...ichelle-paradise-finale-enterprise-easter-egg

I don't remember if it was Season 4 or 5. It may have been Season 4. Two of our writers. I think it was Carlos [Cisco] and Eric [J. Robbins] pitched, ’What if it was Daniels?’ Because they both watched everything. The minute they said that, it just hit us. Yes. That is it. And so, if you watch Season 5 back through now knowing that, you can see the little easter eggs along the way. He's writing with pen and paper. Things like that ultimately will hint this is a guy who's kind of out of time if you will.

 

[fireproof78]

Kovich wasn’t always Daniels:

https://www.cinemablend.com/intervi...ichelle-paradise-finale-enterprise-easter-egg

Well...that article can't be right.

It says some writers "watched everything" and we all know no one at Paramount cares or watches Star Trek.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Already did that before seeing Dune: Part Two!

Since spice is big business in Dune I wanted food that had a lot of spices but wasn't spicey. So, a friend and I went to get Indian Food right before going to the theater.

Already did that before seeing Dune: Part Two!

Since spice is big business in Dune I wanted food that had a lot of spices but wasn't spicey. So, a friend and I went to get Indian Food right before going to the theater.

It was a real barn burner, but I survived.

Kovich wasn’t always Daniels:

https://www.cinemablend.com/intervi...ichelle-paradise-finale-enterprise-easter-egg

I never once thought about Daniels, but I figured he must have had time travel access at some point, even if he wasn't doing it at this point.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Well...that article can't be right.

It says some writers "watched everything" and we all know no one at Paramount cares or watches Star Trek.

People who actually watched Star Trek are incapable of making Bad Trek! That’s just science!

 

[Fateor]

All that is revealed in this episode is that the technology wasn't theirs - it was left behind by the people who created them and the Progenitors found it and used it in turn to create us.

I thought this added depth to the Star Trek lore by implying a cyclical pattern of creation and discovery, akin to themes found in certain religious and philosophical narratives.

Or, you know, it was technology from the future that got tossed into the past that the Progenitors just found and decided was from the past.

Since, you know, Starfleet can't actually check the validity of anything involving it since Burnham tossed it into a black hole.

Hell, Burnham has no way to know whether anything she saw was even real. For all we actually know it could have just been a big mental simulation that was yet another test that she failed.

 

[Yistaan]

God should've been in the progenitor portal considering he has a score to settle with Burnham for her stepbrothers not giving him a starship

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It was a real barn burner, but I survived.

That looks delicious

 

[jackoverfull]

I suspect Moll started it...

yeah, the dimension they are in causes nonsensical aggression, I guess, like Burnham attacking her again for no reason.