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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Well, for the sake of explaining why we see less "unhappy" endings in Trek. And with Discovery appearing to lay the groundwork not only to resurrect L'ak but all of Kwejian as well, it seems to be an ongoing trend.
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Please don’t do that again.
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Well, that's been the trend for a long while in fiction, to the point that few people seem prepared for unhappy endings (see Dune). So, to me, the lack of awareness is setting people up for disappointment down the road.
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I remember that one idea floated by Ira Steven Behr for DS9’s ending was that he wanted the Federation to LOSE the Dominion War.
Basically, the idea would be a variation of the ending we got, that in the end Odo would sacrifice himself to save the Alpha Quadrant by agreeing to return to the Great Link only if the Female Founder would withdraw her forces.
Although, another idea floated by Behr was the “Benny Russell” ending where you end on finding out that everything happened in the mind of Benny Russell and the implication being that all of Star Trek is Benny’s dream.
I'm very glad they didn't go this route. There's a reason the end of St Elsewhere was controversial.
Star Trek has gone soft. Easy outs, fluffiness at all costs. I'm missing the challenging stuff. My favourite SNW episode is the one about M'Benga and that Klingon ambassador. More of that is needed. Remember when Paul was furious at Michael for ejecting him during a crisis, away from his family because he was vital? And then it was totally swept under the rug and forgotten? Lame.
I’ve always felt Picard and Riker both chose wrong in
. I don’t care if it’s an abuse of power he “shouldn’t” have — if you have the opportunity save a life and there’s not even a pressing Prime Directive question anywhere nearby, you damn well save a life.
not saving that young girl in “Hide and Q”
Star Trek has gone comfort food. It is not meant as a challenge but a warm blanket for people to shelter themselves against the challenges of the world. Star Trek has become like the Nexus.
Well, eight days from now and I'm done. First stretch was from 1991-1999. Second stretch was from 2017-2024. So, almost as long. S31 is only going to be a one-off, so that doesn't count.
Sums up what I think. I've enjoyed the final season of Disco, but it's pretty inoffensive.
You make it sound like you've been doing hard time.
You make it sound like you've been doing hard time.
I'm no saying this is the case with @Lord Garth , but there are fans who sort of imprison themselves in Star Trek. They feel the need to watch it because it's Star Trek, but hate it. So they'll spew hate on Discovery/Picard/LDS/SNW for not being real/proper/good Trek, but force themselves to watch it.
I ask those fans (again, Lord Garth, not saying you are one of them), with a nod to a favorite Star Trek character.... How is that logical?
Obviously, I'm a fan of DSC. (And PIC, while we're at it). Which is why I'm stopping with the end of the series I'm enjoying and was interested in. I already stopped watching Lower Decks and SNW. They're not bad, they just don't interest me.
I'll miss Discovery. I won't miss arguing about it.
Watching what I like, and not watching what I don't like as much, has been a blast. It's too bad more people don't do that. It's the arguing about it on TrekBBS and interacting with fandom in general that's been the "doing hard time" while watching these new shows.You make it sound like you've been doing hard time.
I'll miss Discovery. I won't miss arguing about it.
Oh, wow, can you imagine how controversial the Benny Russell ending would have been? The meltdown among fans would have been something to behold!
interesting, they planned for the Federation to lose the war. It certainly would have given much greater meaning to Odo’s decision to rejoin the Great Link. It works as it is, but he didn’t have as strong a motivation for leaving as it turned out.
A prequel movie rebooting First Contact and the start of Starfleet might actually be good. It's all stories, and sometimes new versions that stomp all over established things, like X-Men First Class or Joker, are awesome.
Yep.
The inanity of it, to say the least, would have been compounded by the fact that the franchise was conceived and an avid fan-base established decades before "Far Beyond the Stars" was written.
Well, not quite.
You can leave the nexus and go to any point in time you wish.
But when I (finally) leave Star Trek it's always later than I would've liked
I think people reach different breaking points. TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT, while somewhat different, were all basically made for the same audience with the same guardrails. Many people likely came in knowing each series took a while to get good. Many wanted to give early DISCOVERY the benefit of the doubt after not having a Star Trek series for over 10 years, that things would eventually make sense within the wider continuity, and that the producers would somehow "come to their senses". Instead, while some fixes were made, many other things actually got worse. And soon it was very clear DISCOVERY was made for a very different audience, and many things would never change.
On the other hand, it must be weird for the DISCOVERY fans to run into arguments again and again frozen in time from 2019 from the point many did finally jump ship.
And of course PICARD season 1 was its own descent into increasing polarization. I didn't get around to watching it until just before the premiere of season 3.
That's a good point and might explain my very different fan experience. I don't hang or wait for it to get good. Trek, like any other show, must entertain first and foremost pretty quickly or I'm on to the next one.
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