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Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series

Well, here's a shocking piece of shock-filled shockery. Demetrius Polychron, the man who filed a lawsuit against the Tolkien estate over the idea that the Rings of Power television series somehow stole from his unauthorized fanfiction, had his case against the Tolkien estate thrown out and has been ordered to pay $134,000 damages to the estate over his frivolous lawsuit.

https://deadline.com/2023/12/tolkie...s-lawsuits-fellowship-of-the-king-1235671222/
 
Tolkien Fan Fiction Writer (He was the one who sued): 0 (Talk about living in a Fantasy world...)
Tolkien Estate: 1

The Guardian: Copyright claim against Tolkien estate backfires on Lord of the Rings fanfiction author
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...kfires-on-lord-of-the-rings-fanfiction-author
A Lord of the Rings fanfiction writer has lost a copyright lawsuit over the publication of his own sequel to the much-loved series after opening up a counterproductive legal battle against JRR Tolkien’s estate.

The US-based author Demetrious Polychron published what he described as the “pitch-perfect” Lord of the Rings follow-up in 2022, titled The Fellowship of the King. He planned for the book to be the first of a seven-part series inspired by the franchise.

But the following April, Polychron attempted to sue the Tolkien estate and Amazon over the spin-off TV series The Rings of Power, which he claimed infringed the copyright in his book. A California court dismissed the case after the judge ruled that Polychron’s text was, in fact, infringing on Amazon’s prequel, released in September 2022.

The Tolkien estate then filed a separate lawsuit against Polychron for all physical and digital copies of The Fellowship of the King to be destroyed, as well as a permanent injunction to prevent any of the fanfiction series from being further distributed.

The US court also awarded lawyers’ fees totalling $134,000 (£106,000) to the Tolkien estate and Amazon in connection with Polychron’s lawsuit.

Making the order, Judge Wilson referred to Polychron’s original claim for copyright protection as “unreasonable” and “frivolous” given that his work is entirely based on characters in The Lord of the Rings...
 
The same thing happened with Creed. Jarrett Alexander, who does not own the rights to Rocky, tried to sue claiming the idea of a movie about Apollo's son following in his footsteps was his.
 
Hmm? So a different guy is actually Sauron now?
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The whole point is that he changes his form, and can become beautiful being to seduce people to his side. He would have one appearance to men, another to the Elves, another to Dwarves. In Lord of the Rings (the book) it's even mentioned that Dain was approached by a messenger of Sauron who offered rings, as "of old" to entice the Dwarf King to help find the One Ring.
 
Sauron shouldn't lose his ability to change form until the destruction of Numenor. In the books, he approaches Celebrimbor under the guise and fair visage of "Anatar, the Lord of Gifts". If I recall the first season correctly, only the first three rings for the elves had been created. If Sauron is going to snake his way into the creation of the Rings for the men and the dwarves, he would have to do it under another form.
 
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I'm already in the midst of a (re)watch-through of The Expanse, but there's a part of me that wants to start a rewatch of Season 1 and then go into watching Season 2 in real time.

If I did rewatch S1, though, I wouldn't start doing so until July, so I've still got time to fully decide what to do.

Re: Sauron, we don't actually have the context for that "He is Sauron" line, but, regardless, it's completely in line with established lore, as others have said, for him to be able to appear in different guises.
 
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Ack.

The first season was atrocious. This trailer appears to confirm more of the same.

Jackson's Lord of the Rings was done to perfection (or near to). It's all we needed, and we were incredibly fortunate to get what we got.

Anyway...
 
Ack.

The first season was atrocious. This trailer appears to confirm more of the same.

Jackson's Lord of the Rings was done to perfection (or near to). It's all we needed, and we were incredibly fortunate to get what we got.

Anyway...
Atrocious? I have watched it and rewatched it with my life, a die hard Tolkien fan. She's competing with me between Star Wars books and Tolkien books. While some parts we found kind of dragging along, we both thought it did well with the Middle Earth material.

I agree, that Lord of the Rings was close to perfect (I dispute several points of it and would not call it a perfect film) and if that was all we got that would be enough. But, and just like the other materials coming out are welcome to me.

Mileage will vary.
 
Sauron shouldn't lose his ability to change form until the destruction of Numenor. In the books, he approaches Celebrimbor under the guise and fair visage of "Anatar, the Lord of Gifts". If I recall the first season correctly, only the first three rings for the elves had been created. If Sauron is going to snake his way into the creation of the Rings for the humans and the dwarves, he would have to do it under another form.

In the books the Elven Rings hadn't been created when Sauron showed up as Annatar, he taught Celebrimbor and the other elves with him how to make magic rings in general. The reason the elf rings are different is that Celebrimbor made them on his own without Annatar/Sauron knowing or having any direct hand in their creation, while the rings later given to the Dwarves and humans were all created with Anatar/Sauron. So the elf rings aren't tainted by Sauron, but because Celebrimbor used Sauron's techniques to make them the One Ring can still effect the elf rings if Sauron has possession of it.

Unfortunately the show kind of messed with the timeline too much just to have a Sauron surprise, now that Celebrimbor knows how to make magic rings why would he need any help from a mysterious stranger? Sauron didn't even really help Celebrimbor figure out the rings anyway, just kind of hinted at the form he should use for his project if I remember the first season correctly. I'm not quite sure what they're going to do with all of that.

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Its looking very good. I know the show is weird about the lore, and makes odd decisions, but I'm just glad to have Tolkien style high fantasy in any form, since most Fantasy in TV/movies nowadays is either YA trash or GOT clones. Also, the first season really inspired me to get into the deeper Tolkien lore, even leading me to finally read The Silmarillion and start going through the other extended writings, so I'll always have a soft spot for the series for that reason if nothing else.
 
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Unfortunately the show kind of messed with the timeline too much just to have a Sauron surprise, now that Celebrimbor knows how to make magic rings why would he need any help from a mysterious stranger? Sauron didn't even really help Celebrimbor figure out the rings anyway, just kind of hinted at the form he should use for his project if I remember the first season correctly. I'm not quite sure what they're going to do with all of that.
Have him continue to move things in a direction that benefits him.

Also, the first season really inspired me to get into the deeper Tolkien lore, even leading me to finally read The Silmarillion and start going through the other extended writings, so I'll always have a soft spot for the series for that reason if nothing else.
It, like Jackson's Lord of the Rings, is not perfect. But, it absolutely got me in to reading that book, the Hobbit, and Rings of Power got me to (slowly) read the Similarion. I think that's the best part. I don't care for perfection; perfection is dull. I want something that inspires me to go deeper with a franchise I already have an affection for.

Bring it on, I say. Yes, they get stuff wrong. Not sure why I should care.
 
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