Poll Do you like SNW and Discovery? (Poll)
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Given the fact that Star Trek Discovery introduced the version of Captain Christopher Pike, played by Anson Mount; I will always like Dscovery for that fact alone.
In fact if Discovery had not been popular enough, Star Trek Strange New Worlds would never have been green lit as a series.
I will say that I prefer Discovery's first two seasons over its last three seasons, but that's me.
In fact if Discovery had not been popular enough, Star Trek Strange New Worlds would never have been green lit as a series.
I will say that I prefer Discovery's first two seasons over its last three seasons, but that's me.
I like Discovery, I like SNW. If I had to choose I'd probably choose DISCO, simply because it attempted something different. Believe it or not, despite how some fans try to create a polarisation to suit their own viewpoints, it is entirely possible that the noise individuals create along the way is not really representative of the audiences.
I also happen to think that SNW is just as flawed as DISCO, just for different reasons.
I also happen to think that SNW is just as flawed as DISCO, just for different reasons.
ya it's hard to gauge exaclty what people like on the internet and how much that represents people at large
It is an interesting one isn't it - as an example, some try to make out that DISCO has clearly been a flop because it was "cancelled" after S5. Season 5 - its lasted until Season 5! That is not a flop show - if it hadn't been doing what P+ wanted it to do, it wouldn't have lasted that long. Yes, P+ needed to launch itself and therefore needed content - but if a show isn't getting the audiences in, they don't keep it around (and they certainly don't spawn more content from the same franchise if said show is underperforming). Disco has obviously done what they set out for it to do - but now with actors contracts etc being up for renewal and budgets more broadly now much tighter, it was obviously felt that S5 was the magic number to finish up on. Same with LD now.
SNW will be exactly the same - if (and I stress "if") it lasts through S5, the same fans pointing towards Disco as a flop for "only" lasting 5 seasons won't be saying the same about SNW - they will (rightly) be championing it as a huge success, only because they like it more. Unfortunately, people can be very biased depending on their own personal views, and try to make the narrative fit their preferences - its an insecurity people have in their views, and they can't always accept that something is doing well if they aren't fans of it. The fact of the matter is this business is far more complex than that, and even more broadly - the creative elements are actually not important. To the higher ups, ST is a production line.
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I lean more towards SNW than DIS, but its not as simple as it appears.
DIS has found a niche in the 32nd century and has done well for itself there. However, its first two season set in the 23rd century were controversial, though out of that controversy, it led to SNW.
SNW, while having a few noteworthy episodes, is a warmer but generally mild show. And that’s likely because of how controversial the first couple of seasons of DIS were. Viewers don’t want the boat rocked, at least in the way DIS did it; they seem fine with the big swings of SNW though. And yet there is kind of a nostalgia around for the way the early seasons of DIS did things.
The one thing I have noticed with both shows is that the Klingon War has its own tone, meaning if SNW ever resumed it (i.e. had another Klingon War arc) it would shift the current tone of SNW. I suppose that also goes for any return of Section 31, or the mirror universe.
If, for its final seasons, SNW adopted the tones set by the first couple of seasons of DIS - the darker tones, to the characters being in open conflict with one another, all the way to more risqué content and openly queer characters and shocking violence - would the show still be liked? Even if doing so led to more intellectually challenging content?
Basically, what I am asking is how much of SNW’s likability is because its basically comfort food for the viewers that they do not have to think about much. And is that a good thing for the series, long term?
DIS has found a niche in the 32nd century and has done well for itself there. However, its first two season set in the 23rd century were controversial, though out of that controversy, it led to SNW.
SNW, while having a few noteworthy episodes, is a warmer but generally mild show. And that’s likely because of how controversial the first couple of seasons of DIS were. Viewers don’t want the boat rocked, at least in the way DIS did it; they seem fine with the big swings of SNW though. And yet there is kind of a nostalgia around for the way the early seasons of DIS did things.
The one thing I have noticed with both shows is that the Klingon War has its own tone, meaning if SNW ever resumed it (i.e. had another Klingon War arc) it would shift the current tone of SNW. I suppose that also goes for any return of Section 31, or the mirror universe.
If, for its final seasons, SNW adopted the tones set by the first couple of seasons of DIS - the darker tones, to the characters being in open conflict with one another, all the way to more risqué content and openly queer characters and shocking violence - would the show still be liked? Even if doing so led to more intellectually challenging content?
Basically, what I am asking is how much of SNW’s likability is because its basically comfort food for the viewers that they do not have to think about much. And is that a good thing for the series, long term?
Very view people think long term. Current media consumption culture is very sensate.
I like SNW and dislike Discovery
I voted "Like SNW, Dislike DSC" but it's more nuanced than that. I don't love either of them, but SNW is leaps and bounds ahead of DSC.
Sort of this.
I like SNW because... it's not DSC? It takes some of what I didn't like about DSC and "fixes" it to some extent. But it also still does some of what I don't like about DSC.
My issues with SNW are different though. For as much as i'm generally all about the "give me the nostalgia comfort food", there's a right and a wrong way to do it. SNW is doing way too much with bringing in legacy characters, in kind of weird ways. WAY too much Kirk. Kirk should have been a one and done, "oh cool they did Kirk". He's practically a main cast member. Too much. SNW, in S2 anyway, leaned WAY too heavily on the "wacky" stories. One of my issues with DSC is that it's "super grimdark serious all the time", but SNW in S2 went the polar opposite and just went... overly ridiculous. There's a mix that SNW didn't quite get.
Had SNW been what we got when DSC premiered, i'd probably be overall less hostile to nuTrek. DSC really rubbed me the wrong way and it was like a toxic infection on how I view Trek now.
In the end, I mostly like SNW, although it's definitely at the bottom of my Trek list. It's above DSC, but that isn't saying much.
Sort of this.
I like SNW because... it's not DSC? It takes some of what I didn't like about DSC and "fixes" it to some extent. But it also still does some of what I don't like about DSC.
My issues with SNW are different though. For as much as i'm generally all about the "give me the nostalgia comfort food", there's a right and a wrong way to do it. SNW is doing way too much with bringing in legacy characters, in kind of weird ways. WAY too much Kirk. Kirk should have been a one and done, "oh cool they did Kirk". He's practically a main cast member. Too much. SNW, in S2 anyway, leaned WAY too heavily on the "wacky" stories. One of my issues with DSC is that it's "super grimdark serious all the time", but SNW in S2 went the polar opposite and just went... overly ridiculous. There's a mix that SNW didn't quite get.
Had SNW been what we got when DSC premiered, i'd probably be overall less hostile to nuTrek. DSC really rubbed me the wrong way and it was like a toxic infection on how I view Trek now.
In the end, I mostly like SNW, although it's definitely at the bottom of my Trek list. It's above DSC, but that isn't saying much.
You lost me at "openly queer characters". Hasn't SNW already done that with Chapel and Angel?
Chapel hasn’t been shown with anyone other than Spock. And neither has Angel.
Meanwhile on DIS, you see Stamets and Culber in a relationship. And you see Adira and Gray in a relationship.
SNW is shallow in its approach, while DIS is not.
Shown sure, but it was mentioned in Spock Amock that she had a fling with a gal from Argelius II.
I feel like we are beyond simply alluding to LGBT relationships at this point though.
If SNW was DIS, they would have shown Chapel's relationship with the gal from Argelius II, not just suggest it happened.
I liked the first two seasons of DSC, but had to giveup on the show after the awful, uninspired season 3. Like the first two seasons of SNW, but wish it would take more creative risks, like DSC did in the first few episodes, before the show went downhill. but even without thos risks, SNW is fun and entertaining, which DSC fails to be for some time now.
Seasons 4 and 5, so far, are great.
I like both shows. Then again I don’t really dislike any of the Trek shows. I just like some better than others.
For Disco I think S3, 4 and 5 (so far anyway) are far superior to S1 and 2.
For SNW I think S1 was far better than S2 (the Spock/Chapel stuff is really bad and there is too much Kirk) but S2 contains the best episode of the series to date...“Those Old Scientists”.
For Disco I think S3, 4 and 5 (so far anyway) are far superior to S1 and 2.
For SNW I think S1 was far better than S2 (the Spock/Chapel stuff is really bad and there is too much Kirk) but S2 contains the best episode of the series to date...“Those Old Scientists”.
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