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Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

Agreed with all this. I'd have preferred the Enterprise-E have been present at Frontier Day too and then be heavily damaged or destroyed in the process. Maybe it was already on the way to retirement, being thirty years old by then, putting it nicely on par with the TOS ship's longevity. Another slightly picky thing I wish had been different was the use of the Excelsior II as the ship sent with Commander Ro. Somehow it just parallels too nicely with "The Search for Spock" to have it running them down.

Would anyone have wanted to see most of the action take place aboard the Enterprise-E for the season, instead of the Titan, before they have to switch over to the D? There would have been a great opportunity for the "this used to be my ship" stuff that Riker and Picard went through and all the "refit" stuff could have still worked. The two ships flying together at the end of the Frontier Day incident rather than the Titan and the D would have been pretty cool. Then just have both retired. There could have been some interesting emotional resonance with all the crew, though I do wonder if it would have upstaged the D somehow?
Wasn't the ship Ro came with a new design, the Duderstadt, not an Excel2?

I would love to see the E again, inside and out, brief or long, any second is a treasure :D
Everything you wrote there would be even better than what we got. The new Titan could still have had appearances and become the G at the end (I would just like it to be bigger, closer to F size)...
 
Ah, ok. Well any other ship would've looked better :whistle:
The Duderstadt class wasn't as bad as the Connie III. Yes it mimicked the design of a Kirk era FASA ship, but the ship itself was completely original, as in it didn't copy and paste components from a Kirk era Starship and its layout is somewhat unique with the little underslung deflector connected by a 'neck' of sorts. And the new nacelles i think suited this ship a lot better than the Connie III or the Sagan Class.
 
It was the exception. Look at how tech progresses in Trek from TOS to TNG.

Right, things just tended to get bigger. But that doesn't mean that "Big = Better".

Voyager as an absolutely top-of-the-line ship and wasn't huge.

Size just seems like a somewhat poor indicator of how "good" a ship is.
 
Right, things just tended to get bigger. But that doesn't mean that "Big = Better".

Voyager as an absolutely top-of-the-line ship and wasn't huge.

Size just seems like a somewhat poor indicator of how "good" a ship is.

And relative sizes aren't always clear. The -E is a touch longer than the -D, and looks comparable in a side view, but from other angles, it's obvious how much smaller the Sovereign is than the Galaxy. We just never saw them next to each other on-screen. The -G isn't the first time an Enterprise got smaller (depending on if there's some retconned/resized TMP version to match the SNW version, out there in Plato's Heaven of Starship Forms, it might've happened the very first time).

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I suspect that, like technology today, miniaturization of existing tech into next-gen platforms would continue to make things smaller over time, even into the Trek-era.
 
As stated, Voyager was more advanced than the E-D, and smaller. Although long, the E-E had less decks and less internal volume than the E-D. Prometheus was a hella fast asskicker. Also smaller.
All fair points, but the Galaxys are treated as top of the line in some measure, and when we look at a possible future starship with the J it's shown to be massive.
 
I suspect that, like technology today, miniaturization of existing tech into next-gen platforms would continue to make things smaller over time, even into the Trek-era.

To a point yes.

Although I like to point that at some point they stop really caring about it. I like to use the example of Picard's "laptop" thing. "Ugh, see it's already so outdated look how big it is." So? At that point, it's a design/aesthetic choice. We're obsessed with making everything as small and thin as possible today... but there's no particular reason that will persist 300 years into the future.

The general idea that "bigger = better" is odd though because alot of times, something being bigger does imply that it's LESS advanced, due to miniaturization. Like, why have a massive ship will 47,000 crew on board when you don't need them?

Size should only really play a factor in mission/role. Something like the Galaxy-Class was intended to be a super long range exploration vessel, so it needed... space. Realistically, most of the E-D is probably just empty space. If the crew was evenly dispersed throughout the ship, utilizing it's entire internal volume, you could likely walk around for a day and not run into anyone. Most ships don't need that. Hell the E-D didn't need that because it didn't go on long-range exploration missions.

It's why I also don't mind the USS Kelvin being hella huge, although should be a Prime Timeline ship. I figured it was a colony support vessel or some such, so it's a gigantic ship filled with cargo, shuttles, etc.

All fair points, but the Galaxys are treated as top of the line in some measure, and when we look at a possible future starship with the J it's shown to be massive.

We don't know what the intended mission of the Universe-Class (going with STO nomenclature) is. The ship may be designed for extra-galactic voyages and essentially never return home.
 
All fair points, but the Galaxys are treated as top of the line in some measure, and when we look at a possible future starship with the J it's shown to be massive.

Well, to me that would be using what you said about the Defiant earlier; it's the exception.
 
Well, to me that would be using what you said about the Defiant earlier; it's the exception.
Agreed. I just look at the initial trend of Trek tech, especially TOS to TNG, were the Enterprise D was considerably larger, and each ship was shown to be progressively bigger. Then there was a change, creating a different point of view and now I have no idea what makes a ship better than what.
 
Never really understood the obsession with size. Why is ship "better" if it's huge?
Find the outlier :D
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