I disagree, it was never utopian.
Star Trek Canon Problems
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Yeah, it only got utopian when Gene decided to Make it that way for TNG.
Although - as wonderful as Edith's prediction of the future is - that's more an ideal from the perspective of a woman toiling in the Great Depression of 1930 than how Gene actually portrayed the Earth or Federation of centuries later. Close, but not the same universe.
Exactly.
This is the same world that Spock describes as "perfectly balanced, artificial, environments."
And if you were paying attention at the time, you'd note that scene was heavily criticized exactly for being misogynistic. Orci tried defending the scene by pointing out there was a scene in the movie with Chris Pine shirtless, while Lindelof just outright admitted to objectifying women.
Where is the hatred, contempt or ingrained prejudice in the above photo? The scene is not necessary. It is very likely exploitative. But it's not angry. It's giving all of us what some of us may want.
Also, not telling the whole story. In the film, Kirk moves from trying to sneak a peak, to protective of Carol to actually caring about her wellbeing, and reaching to check on her once they beam off the Vengeance. There is a small plot thread through the film of Kirk's relationship with women and Carol in particular that, as per usual with the Kelvin films, gets ignored for its nuance.
Oh I was. I'm not the one that claimed that misogynistic content wouldn't be made currently.
I just think the evolved 21st century superiority gets old. It's the age of Pornhub and OnlyFans, after all.
Better than looking down on humanity.
Except that is exactly what was happening. 'We are so much better now than those people back then. We'd never do that now.' It's like reading posts by a bunch of first season Picards.
Well, I meant was better than the constant "humanity sucks and should die out because they suck so bad" that I see.
The oldest professionI just think the evolved 21st century superiority gets old. It's the age of Pornhub and OnlyFans, after all.
Thanks for explaining again. Sorry I didn’t get that from your original post.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot and, yeah, I guess you have a point. The Illyrians and the way they are treated in the Federation are not a perfect analogy for trans people in our society. I think the analogy they were going for is saying Una never decided on her own accord to be genetically altered in much the same way a trans person never “decided” to be trans. It’s just what they are and there’s nothing wrong with that. The whole aspect of how Una was made that way by her parents not really mirroring a trans person not being “made” trans is something they either didn‘t consider or just plain ignored.
I can see how that might make the whole thing not work for some viewers. Still, overall I appreciate the attempt at making an episode that tries to say something meaningful and a little deeper, even if it’s not perfect. For me it doesn’t read as problematic as it does for you, because I don’t think Una’s situation has to map onto that of a trans person’s in all respects for the allegory to work.
If Alice Eve partially undressed is misogynistic, is Chris Pine partially undressed misandrist?
Yeah, there does seem to be a double standard there. For instance, I don't know what all the "daddy" stuff with, for instance, Pedro Pascal is, but it seems like something that would be called out as sexist if it was a woman being talked about like that.
In an alternate universe where men and women are truly equal, women generally do not earn less, are not reduced to their bodies as frequently or disproportionately become victims of institutional, societal and everyday sexism, sexualized and domestic violence and spousal murder … yeah maybe you could say it is and not make it look like a completely foolish position.
It's funny how I was just talking about this with coworkers and how male celebrities are expected to take it as part of the job in many instances, while highly inappropriate comments are made.
It's very unfortunate.
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