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Actually, yeah, he was set up to be unlikable but somewhat redeem himself as the series reached its conclusion. He's not for everyone but he was a fascinating study in ethics and people who avoid embracing any but their own unique idea of them.
 
Actually, yeah, he was set up to be unlikable but somewhat redeem himself as the series reached its conclusion. He's not for everyone but he was a fascinating study in ethics and people who avoid embracing any but their own unique idea of them.
I'll take your word for it.
 
And he somehow became a hero by the end. A tainted one, stained by years of covert behavior and downright terrible acts, but willingly helped his Federation friends liberate his homeworld and put his life on the line for a new Cardassia, a freer and more open and peaceful one. He was a cunning bastard, but one with a silver lining.
 
And he somehow became a hero by the end. A tainted one, stained by years of covert behavior and downright terrible acts, but willingly helped his Federation friends liberate his homeworld and put his life on the line for a new Cardassia, a freer and more open and peaceful one. He was a cunning bastard, but one with a silver lining.
More of an anti-hero. Or a reluctant hero.
 
A man of taste and breeding, I see!

I believe that Babylon 5's CGI has a charm all of its own precisely because it's relatively primitive; but compared to other shows with very early CGI, like SeaQuest DSV or Space: Above and Beyond, I think it holds up really well due to superb design work. And of course there's no way they'd have been able to do that show with physical models anyway.

Agreed.

I chalked the look of the ships as being the result of flawless hull designs. Photo-realistic CGI of today I would only use for derelicts—as odd as that sounds.

Abandoned Thunderbolts can have grunge—but keep the Starfury clean.

Now the 1997 A NEW HOPE X-wing fighters leaving Yavin is dated. That look is fine for Babylon 5, but Rogue One+era X-wing meshes need to replace those particular 1997 scenes, because they match the models better.

The 1997 scenes used in a Rebels flashback.
 
Paramount should replace the shots of the Enterprise in TOS with the Disco/SNW-prise. :whistle:

Um. Wow.

I like the Constitution class better than any of the later Enterprises. She looks like a real ship, designed around constraints. Why does a space ship need to be streamlined like a speedboat again? Are they going to land her on planets every couple of weeks?
 
This simply isn't a good analogy, because the consumer has no choice in the matter. Just like, now, when watching TOS on OTA/Cable/Streaming TV, all we have are the 2006 versions. If you want the original effects, you have to go and hunt down the home video versions of the show.

Nothing I would love more than to have a 25" color TV and BetaMax and LaserDisc players, and media to enjoy the show. That is just no longer practical for me.

Soon, only the hardest of hard core fans will even know those 60's effects even exist. To me, that is something important being lost.

We do have a choice: blurays set on "original effects".
 
Art is defined by its limitations. Star Trek was a product of the 1960’s, as such, it should be left alone. If someone wants to put their stamp on it, then just remake it. The work of the 60’s shouldn’t be overwritten just because something newer and flashier comes along.

Ya know, Michelangelo didn't have day-glo paints when he painted the Sistine Chapel ceiling. I bet a good painter could go over that ceiling in day-glo and it would look SO much FLASHIER and NEWER.
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Are these people who complain about the updated effects on TOS-R watching TOS on an actual 1960s TV to stay true to the original unaltered production intent they prize so much? Or are you watching it on a modern 4K flatpanel with surround sound for that authentic 1966 experience?

On a circa 2008 display. I'm sure newer ones would be better but I don't feel like spending the money untl the one I've got dies.
 
ENT Episode Pitch Game

VHS was shit in its time. No, of course it doesn’t work for most people these days. It’s like holding up a dial phone (which you probably still use) and saying ‘Why do we need cellphones? Doesn’t this work for people?”



You are very much an outlier. The exception rather than the rule. The world moved on. You didn’t.

VHS was not shit in its time. It's nowhere near as good as bluray, of course, but remember that in its time it was being compared to over the air for a lot of people. Fuzzy, interference, ghosts were the order of the day.

My cellphone, now, THAT is crap. I can not imagine having that POS as my only phone.
 
VHS was not shit in its time.

Speaking from personal experience:

1) I had cassettes snag inside the machine, resulting in the tape spooling out and getting chewed up.

2) Periodically the heads of the machine itself would need cleaning.

3) On a few occasions I had tapes that would somehow ‘blank’ themselves. Either you’d play the tape and there’d be sound or no picture, or both.

4) The VHS tapes themselves were gradually damaged by the machine used to play them, each time they are played. This was incremental, but for tapes I played a lot, noticeable over a few years.

5) The tapes themselves were expensive and very limited in terms of how much media could be stored on each. They also took up massive amounts of shelf space.

6) Fast forward/Rewind similarly damaged the tapes. Fuck, they had to be rewound in the first place.

It absolutely was shit in its time and in its time better alternatives (Betamax and Laserdisc) existed.
 
It absolutely was shit in its time and in its time better alternatives (Betamax and Laserdisc) existed.
VHS won over Betamax and Laserdisc because:
  • VHS players/recorders were cheaper and more widely available than both Betamax and especially Laserdisc, which I remember being more a novelty when I bought one.
  • One theory about home video's popularity is the porn market. People could buy/rent porn without having to go to a strip club or a porn theater. Given that VHS was cheaper, the porn industry tended to produce more on VHS than Beta.
  • VHS tapes themselves were more widely available, since I think I could only find Laserdisc movies at like Suncoast video. Also, JVC (the inventor of VHS) was better than Sony (the inventor of Betamax) at licensing the tech to movie studios and helping create the home video rental market.
  • For the most part, the majority of VHS tapes available could record for longer (6 hours max) versus the Betamax ones (4-5 hours).
  • As someone who owned a Laserdisc player, what increase that was achieved in picture quality was offset by a format with all of the issues that vinyl records had when it came to warping and scratching. Also, unless you had a Laserdisc player that could automatically switch from side A to side B, you would have to stop halfway into a film to flip the disc and replatter it to watch the other half of the movie. Also true if you want to go back to watch something from earlier in the film.
The quality of the picture from VHS depended a LOT on the connections you used and what your TV would allow. If you had S-VHS, the picture quality was somewhat decent, especially for the era. But if you were using just a standard coax cable setup, it was going to look like dogshit.
 
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3) On a few occasions I had tapes that would somehow ‘blank’ themselves. Either you’d play the tape and there’d be sound or no picture, or both.

Tape was left too close to a strong magnetic field.

It absolutely was shit in its time and in its time better alternatives (Betamax and Laserdisc) existed

Well, Betamax would suffer from tapes getting eaten and quality degradation. Laserdiscs would suffer from disc rot. They all had their shortcomings.
 
Well, Betamax would suffer from tapes getting eaten and quality degradation. Laserdiscs would suffer from disc rot. They all had their shortcomings.

Sure.

VHS won out for the reasons @Citiprime outlined above. Mainly cheapness and ubiquity.

Doesn’t change the fact that it was substandard compared to other options, even if those options themselves were far from optimal.
 
Doesn’t change the fact that it was substandard compared to other options, even if those options themselves were far from optimal.

I had/owned VHS decks from roughly 1980 until the mid-2000's. I only remember two tapes actually being eaten during that time. One was a blank that I used to constantly record/watch/tape over one watch items from TV, the other was The Brave Little Toaster*, which my daughter watched about 500 times in her formative years.

Personally, even with its flaws, I was pretty happy with VHS, overall.

*My wife was able to take everything apart and fix the tape, with just a small glitch where the eaten part had been.
 
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