Did Spock die because....

[Jedi Marso]

I've wondered about this for a while and it could be a coincidence but:

Did Spock die at the end of TWOK because he was the only Red Shirt in the engine room?

It's really possible that the Director intentionally had him not take his jacket off for color purposes. To stand out with what was happening in that control room.

Or just because Spock was in a hurry.

Or because everyone else in the room was in white.

What other reason do you think why Spock didn't take off his jacket in the Engine Room?

Taking off his jacket would have been sacrificing time when there was no time to be spared, and losing even the miniscule amount of protection it offered, but perhaps just enough to help stay conscious and aware long enough to complete his task. Ergo, it would have been illogical to remove it, and there you have it.

 

[Tallguy]

Taking off his jacket would have been sacrificing time when there was no time to be spared, and losing even the miniscule amount of protection it offered, but perhaps just enough to help stay conscious and aware long enough to complete his task. Ergo, it would have been illogical to remove it, and there you have it.

Oh dear. The original topic.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Oh dear. The original topic.

I didn't read much past the first post before replying, so obviously I've missed some stuff here... Thread drift, I take it.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't read much past the first post before replying, so obviously I've missed some stuff here... Thread drift, I take it.

Drift...derailment...detours.

 

[FormerLurker]

In the interest of thread drift:

Starfleet Intelligence, or even what we now know to be Section 31, may have deliberately blown up Ceti Alpha 6 for the express purpose of eliminating Khan and company, and then destroyed the records KIrk had submitted to attempt to erase the incident. Speculation, yes, but what else do we have?

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the interest of thread drift:

Starfleet Intelligence, or even what we now know to be Section 31, may have deliberately blown up Ceti Alpha 6 for the express purpose of eliminating Khan and company, and then destroyed the records KIrk had submitted to attempt to erase the incident. Speculation, yes, but what else do we have?

You’ve just spoiled the plot of the Section 31 movie .

 

[FormerLurker]

We'll see.

 

[Iamnotspock]

In the interest of thread drift:

Starfleet Intelligence, or even what we now know to be Section 31, may have deliberately blown up Ceti Alpha 6 for the express purpose of eliminating Khan and company, and then destroyed the records KIrk had submitted to attempt to erase the incident. Speculation, yes, but what else do we have?

Why not blow up Ceti Alpha V?

 

[Tallguy]

Why not blow up Ceti Alpha V?

That's EXACTLY what they would have been expecting!

 

[FormerLurker]

Why not blow up Ceti Alpha V?

If Ceti Alpha VI is already tectonically unstable, they don't even have to use explosives. Just weaken the plates so the the next time V and VI come close their gravities tear VI apart, which destabilizes V's orbit, which destroys its viability to host life as we know it. It's roundabout, but has plausible deniability.

 

[Tallguy]

Just weaken the plates so the the next time V and VI come close their gravities tear VI apart

Or just change the gravitational constant of the universe.

 

[Commander Troi]

Or reverse the polarity... oh wait, wrong franchise.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

The greatest moment in ST history and it turns out Nic Meyer was just memeing.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Here’s my theory on the Khan situation:


1. Khan came from a PRE_warp civilization , technically speaking. Yes, it was EARTH , but in the past.

2. Therefore the Prime Directive applies. Khan and crew were on a planet with all they needed to survive (based on current circumstances). However, no warp speed tech available to them. So the Federation was “safe” from them, and could perhaps much later send an observation team. But no further interaction needed for a while

3. Starfleet & The Federation are cool with that. Charts are recorded accordingly, along with general info on the other planets. Enterprise did NOT explore the other planets, other than no apparent intelligent life

4. Either some kind of weird disaster, or some illicit mining or science experiment creates a huge explosion on Ceti Alpha 6, sending it out of its regular orbit, such that 5 & 6 switch places, essentially

5. Khan feels the shockwaves and sees lots of meteors, perhaps a few huge ones, that decimate the planet and create the deserts. From HIS perspective, it seems like Ceti Alpha 6 exploded (perhaps the meteors came at night, so that he was able to calculate where it came from… maybe even saw the explosion in a telescope, or the meteors coming from that direction

6. Khan comes to the conclusion that Ceti Alpha 6 completely exploded. However, for Starfleet, they didn’t know the difference

7. Kirk becomes head of Starfleet Operations and authorizes the Genesis project. He is kept up to date with the progress, and approves Ceti Alpha system as a possibility to explore. However, the Ceti Alpha 5 quarantine due to the Prime Directive is listed. Therefore, Ceti Alpha 5 is not considered. Ceti alpha 1-4 and 6 are options

8. Reliant goes to what they think Ceti Alpha 6, since it is listed as a possibility. They COMPLETELY ignore what they think is Ceti Alpha V, because it supposedly has life on it, and therefore completely useless to their mission Checkov and Terrell beam down because of a faint life sign, unaware WHY there is life. And there we go….

 

[fireproof78]

6. Khan comes to the conclusion that Ceti Alpha 6 completely exploded. However, for Starfleet, they didn’t know the difference

How!?!

 

[Morpheus 02]

How!?!

They weren't monitoring that sector.

With the speed of light being so "slow" it wouldn't have shown up for a while.

 

[fireproof78]

They weren't monitoring that sector.

With the speed of light being so "slow" it wouldn't have shown up for a while.

Compare past charts to current readings. It aren't that hard.

 

[Dr. K.R. Kollman hon.]

Compare past charts to current readings. It aren't that hard.

Their sensors thought that a handful of Humans might have only been 'a particle of pre-animate matter.' - that tells me that their sensors aren't that great. Or there was a ton of interference somewhere.

The reason to do re-surveys would be to document changes to a system AND to correct errors in an earlier survey.

Which would they have considered the discrepancy, if they even noticed the difference since re-surveying wasn't their job assignment? A change in the Ceti Alpha star system? Or an error in an earlier survey?

 

[fireproof78]

Which would they have considered the discrepancy, if they even noticed the difference since re-surveying wasn't their job assignment? A change in the Ceti Alpha star system? Or an error in an earlier survey?

 

[Nerys Myk]

He died because he must

He is risen