News Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots & Kills Cinematographer, Wounds Director with Prop Gun
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You're joking, you mean they are not doing a sequel?
Exactly. You do your job, and abide by basic firearm rules. This isn't rocket science, and the armorer claimed she had firearm experience, as well as how to test for nonlive and live ammo.
Period, end of story.
Resign.
If you're not qualified you don't assert experience with firearms and take a job you're not qualified for. Once you step in to that role, you become responsible, no matter the age. Responsibility doesn't end because of age.
Low budget or not though, a production would want to hire the right person for the job. It's not exactly a role you want to skimp on. She obviously wasn't experienced enough to do what she was hired to do, which led to a fatal mistake. At her age, she should have had been the assistant learning the ropes, not the main person on the job. I see her father is highly placed in the industry, which maybe allowed her to get a job like this with minimal red tape. But she obviously wasn't ready for the responsibility given to her.
I'm not sure how it works in the industry, but I would expect that this will lead the industry to have heightened requirements in roles like an armorer, including a minimum amount of years of experience someone should have as an apprentice before being allowed to take on the role of a lead armorer on a movie set. Because like it or not, an armorer is someone you have to be able to trust on set. You have to be able to trust their judgement. And as we can see here, there's no room for error.
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Her stepfather is Thell Reed a highly regarded movie armorer. Presumably, she had studied under him extensively, thus having much experience.
There was also testimony that she checked the rounds placed in to the firearm and stated they were dummy rounds. The set may have been messy but that small step is something that was said to have happened by the armorer. Responsibility is right there.
It's probably literally written in the job description and contract.
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They should. I'm sure everyone would have a blastYou're joking, you mean they are not doing a sequel?
absolutely. She should have resigned. And that's the point I am saying, she is negligent but not criminally negligent. Let's spend a min. look at the comment made by George Clooney (I talked about this in the last page) :
ABC quoted what George Clooney said: "Every single time I'm handed a gun on a set, every time, they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I'm pointing it to, we show it to the crew....."
at the day of the incident, Alec and Halyna Hutchins as the cinematographer were rehearsing that scene. If we use George Clooney safety guild line, then 1 of the above 2 person should have check that gun.
They are not legally obligated to do so. As you people said, it should be Hannah and Dave Hall who said "Cold gun" responsiblity. But Halyna and Alec COULD have check that gun.
I mean Clooney is a A list profile actor, and he still do it every time. Alec is in the same box as Clooney, so on that day, either him or Halyna could have spend a minute and do what Clooney does EVERY time when there is a gun on the set.
The truth is, their industry is crazy. If you named the top 100 action film actors, directors, producers, going back 20+ yr. ago to today, they should have easily sit down in a room and said, for film / TV set safety, there shouldn't be any real gun from this time on. This should have been done well over 20+ yr. ago.
I mean, someone as high ranked as Clooney still have to do the above, just to be sure. Because he knows everyone can make mistake. Now because Halyna is dead, noone brings this out, because you don't want to smear the dead. But she is also partly responsible of her own death, as she or Alec could have check the gun that scene because they are rehearsing that scene
All these people, including David Hall, are partly responsible, not 1 person should eat the whole thing.
Someone with little hands on experience in a job that is responsible for handling live firearms should (and/or):
1. Supervised by a more experienced staffer
2. Apprentice under a more experienced, better qualified armorer
3. Train and practice handling firearms at a gun safety range (or whatever it would be called IDK)
I don't think he has to do it.
But he chooses to take gun safety seriously, so he personally checks every gun he holds.
Personally, I think every actor who ever handles a gun should always take a day or two before filming to practice basic gun safety, handling and disarming.
Every actor who is holding a gun should always check it.
Victim blaming much?
Yeah they should have double checked before firing. They relied on the armorer who didn't do her job properly and now someone is dead.
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It's a good precaution, to be sure. Adds an extra measure of safety to the set, and was likely done as a courtesy. But if the armorer hands the actor a gun and tells them it's ready and safe for the scene, then the actor is going to trust their word as per their job. It should signify something along the lines of, "I've done my job, now do yours." It's literally their job and nobody should have to do it for them. So when Alec was handed the gun, he didn't think twice because he thought & trusted that the armorer had done their fricken job. If not their job, then whose is it?? Sure isn't going to be the costume director.
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I only somewhat agree. When David Hall hand the gun over to Alec, and he said "cold gun". Dave Hall has to take some of that responsibility. Otherwise, he should have said "Hannah said it's cold gun, I don't know if it is or not, as I didn't check them, it's not my job, I am just telling you what she said"
If I were David Hall, and I hand a gun on a set to Alec Baldwin, and I said "cold gun", I most definitely would check it first, before I said the words "cold gun". Because he's also a professional. The truth is, from the actual walking distance of where David Hall picks up the gun from Hannah, and walk all the way to the set, in that time frame, he has far more than enough time to check the gun.
In the end, all human make mistake, these 5 people, including the director who's injured, could have prevented this by spending a min. to check the gun.
And don't tell me George Clooney is the only one who check the gun like that. ABC is using George Clooney as an e.g.
A film / TV production is not really a conventional co. Take BP Oil for e.g., they cause that oil spill, if you sit at the marketing dept., you would say "I don't even know where the spill is". They are all a bunch of separate branch / people.
A TV show / film is different. Look at any award show, when the actor / actress gives the speech, he or she said "I like to thank the cast and crew". Because they are like a small family, the entire cast and crew is a small family, they work together. This is the very reason in the Brandon Lee case, those 2 FBI agents can't charge anyone, as there are too many people in a set.
If I were David Hall, and I hand a gun on a set to Alec Baldwin, and I said "cold gun", I most definitely would check it first, before I said the words "cold gun". Because he's also a professional. The truth is, from the actual walking distance of where David Hall picks up the gun from Hannah, and walk all the way to the set, in that time frame, he has far more than enough time to check the gun.
In the end, all human make mistake, these 5 people, including the director who's injured, could have prevented this by spending a min. to check the gun.
And don't tell me George Clooney is the only one who check the gun like that. ABC is using George Clooney as an e.g.
A film / TV production is not really a conventional co. Take BP Oil for e.g., they cause that oil spill, if you sit at the marketing dept., you would say "I don't even know where the spill is". They are all a bunch of separate branch / people.
A TV show / film is different. Look at any award show, when the actor / actress gives the speech, he or she said "I like to thank the cast and crew". Because they are like a small family, the entire cast and crew is a small family, they work together. This is the very reason in the Brandon Lee case, those 2 FBI agents can't charge anyone, as there are too many people in a set.
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Then charge him.
The armorer is still responsible, especially for what ammo was on set.
Ok, but would you trust an armorer to do their job? Because that's the real question. The actor checking the gun should only ever be a last-line of defense, that's why I haven't been overly specific on the actor part. If you can't trust the armorer, then the whole thing down falls apart. Because at that point, it doesn't matter if the actor checks it, it's the armorer that failed.
And a very costly mistake it was. Had the armorer done a proper job, the crisis would have been averted.
Wow, how did we get from a fim set to an oil spill??
did you even read the case at all? He got a deal, so noone can prosecute him
Ok, and?
I'm sure there are ways.
Plus, doesn't absolve the armorer of responsibility, which is my point all along.
I think her sentencing is now. But I don't understand how can the sentencing involves Plaintiff lawyer bringing video of Halyna Hutchins family to influence the judge's decision
Justice for the aggrieved.