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Mark R. Gaebler

I didn't say it's hopeless. One major point of optimism is that courts all the way up to the Supreme Court consistently refuse attempts by corporations and estates to illegally create de facto perpetual copyrights through misuse of trademark protections. The DMCA exemptions for videogame archival are another. Also, further copyright term extensions beyond the Copyright Acts of 1976 and 1998 are highly unlikely. However, those extensions are also highly unlikely to reversed, which is realism, not cynicism.
That was not what was said. You said people tried but lacked pockets like Hollywood.

If one felt so strongly, similar to Axanar, then perhaps more could happen. After all, Axanar was right all along and that could be something potentially worth fighting for.
 
Putting aside the scumbag running Axanar, if their story had any worth it could be told without the Star Trek branding. Renegades scrubbed the Star Trek references, why couldn't Axanar?

The real reason of course, was that it was never about the film but about raising money and living a lavish lifestyle off of it. In court documents they admit their income significantly decreased prior to the lawsuit when they were told to remove "Star Trek" from their name.

Also, the feature script is online and it's not great. Axanar's strength was the pseudo documentary format, and without it, it's just the characters praising Garth over and over.
 
It was going to be made for people who either had no interest in current official productions or were interested in both, so, no, definitely not competing. There's really no way for it to have competed against productions with over one hundred times its budget, anyway, and Abrams and Lin knew that.

Peters deserves punishment for stealing from the crowdfund, but not for raising a million dollars for a fan production.
This is for EVERYONE.......if the focus has shifted to Peters/Axanar there's a whole other thread for that........let this one die...............
 
Those "guidelines" are absolutely asinine. CBS and Paramount have the astonishing arrogance to begin by lying about being "big believers in reasonable fan fiction and fan creativity" only to immediately insist that fan productions be no longer than fifteen minutes each and have no more than a single sequel, which obviously precludes any possibility of episode- or movie-length stories and ongoing narratives.

They go on to insist that no professionals appear in front of nor behind the camera, which means no more stories like "Yorktown: A Time to Heal," "World Enough and Time," Of Gods and Men, and "The Pilgrim of Eternity;" that fundraising can't exceed $50,000, including fees (whether for one segment or two); and that titles can't include "Star Trek." This is a transparent attempt to marginalize fan films about as much as possible while still being able to lie about supporting them.

(Amusingly, they also overbroadly prohibit "profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content" despite all such content appearing in official Star Trek productions.)

Fortunately, these guidelines are—like EULAs—not legally binding, which is why numerous fan productions which exceed fifteen or even thirty minutes, some using "Star Trek" in their titles and featuring professional actors and crew, continue to be made and released without being challenged.

Even "Axanar" will still be released sometime after its final shoot next month, albeit as a half-hour short in two fifteen-minute segments rather than a feature film as originally envisioned.

If not for the ludicrously lengthy extensions corporate lawyers and lobbyists hammered through in the late twentieth century, The Original Series would already be at least partly in the public domain and we wouldn't even need to have these discussions for the original series. Had the original 1790 duration never been increased, the liberation of The Next Generation would have recently completed while Deep Space Nine and Voyager would be beginning theirs, with Enterprise to follow in the next decade, instead of at the end of the century. Even the new series would all join the public domain before The Original Series now will. Still, it will be liberated, and at a time when many current fans will still be alive (possibly including a few centenarians and maybe even a very few supercentenarians who saw the original broadcasts as children).

"Turnabout Intruder" (June 3, 1969) in the Public Domain
Copyright Act of 1790 (28 years): June 3, 1997
Copyright Act of 1831 (42 years): June 3, 2011
Copyright Act of 1909 (56 years): June 3, 2025
Copyright Act of 1976 (75 years): January 1, 2045
Copyright Act of 1998 (95 years): January 1, 2065

I look forward to The Original Series entering irrevocably into the public domain in the early 2060s (1x01-15 on January 1, 2062, 1x16-2x15 on January 1, 2063, 2x16-3x13 on January 1, 2064, and 3x14-24 on January 1, 2065) according to the 95-year rule established in 1998 for corporate works (with the expiration date being the first day of the 96th calendar year from first publication year, rather than exactly 95 years from first publication date as it was until 1976).

The technology of the 2060s will enable low-budget amateur productions to exceed the technical quality of the most expensive professional productions of the 2020s, and anyone will also then be legally free to make a commercial series or movie costing tens or even hundreds of millions without needing anyone's approval. I expect CBS and Paramount to try to play games regarding their perpetual trademarks, but they won't be able to stop the seismic shift which the entry of TOS into the public domain will undoubtedly trigger. Rather than being limited to the official CBS/Paramount ideas of limited supply and scope, those of us still alive then (I'll be in my early seventies if I am) will finally be able to see Kirk's original five-year-mission completed and much, much more as we choose to imagine it—beginning just in time for first contact.

Fascinating.
Well hey, maybe Alec Peters made a mistake in LOBBYING for them FOR YEARS.
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Be careful what you wish for - and they are still way less restrictive then the fan film rules Disney had in place for their Star Wars fan film contests - WHICH BTW were the fan film rules Peter's often referenced when he was lobbying for Paramount/CBS to create some Star Trek Fan Film guidelines.:shrug:

Oh and as far as Alec Peter's AXANAR ever being 'finished and released'...PLEASE...that project is how he's supported himself (without having an actual day job) for the last 10 years. He's never going to kill his Golden Goose by releasing a finished product. He has to many gullible 'fans' willing to constantly send him money to want to actually FINISH the AXANAR fan film.:guffaw:
 
Well hey, maybe Alec Peters made a mistake in LOBBYING for them FOR YEARS.
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Be careful what you wish for - and they are still way less restrictive then the fan film rules Disney had in place for their Star Wars fan film contests - WHICH BTW were the fan film rules Peter's often referenced when he was lobbying for Paramount/CBS to create some Star Trek Fan Film guidelines.:shrug:

Oh and as far as Alec Peter's AXANAR ever being 'finished and released'...PLEASE...that project is how he's supported himself (without having an actual day job) for the last 10 years. He's never going to kill his Golden Goose by releasing a finished product. He has to many gullible 'fans' willing to constantly send him money to want to actually FINISH the AXANAR fan film.:guffaw:
OK NOW.............no more......there line MUST BE DRAWN HERE!!!!!!!!!
 
Oy vey izmir, people!

To the OP: sir, fantasies are great. Delightful, in fact, and not just the of the love instructor variety.

Several years ago, my dad used to buy a lottery ticket every Friday. He would fantasize that he was a millionaire until Monday, when the winning numbers were drawn (that's how long ago all of this is). Cost him a buck to have a little entertainment for a few days.

He also never told anyone beyond our little fam-dambly what he was doing. He did not alert the media. And he sure as hell didn't quit his day job.

Enjoy your fantasy, sir. But please, don't quit your day job.
 
we are very cautious, despite our copyright, on what we reveal.

CBS/Paramount has the exclusive copyright on "Star Trek". You need to create something that isn't "Star Trek".

No, that was Red Bomb.

And "The Nude Bomb" was the one with the naked love instructors.

"Sorry about that, Chief."
 
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Star Wars came about because George Lucas wanted to do Flash Gordon. The Orville because Seth McFarlane wanted to do Star Trek. Rebel Moon because Zack Snyder wanted to do Star Wars.

I knew that about both Lucas and McFarlane, but not Snyder. Interesting. Might try and find it and make comparisons on a lazy day.

Guess MAG is back under a new name?

MAG? Which banned poster is that?

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To the original OP, @Mark R. Gaebler .

Your plan to reconcile all of Trek is ambitious, perhaps TOO ambitious! Throughout all of the series, there are contradictions and retcons, which, if you don't get TOO worked up over, let you enjoy Trek the way YOU want to.

Throughout this thread, there have been helpful suggestions for your concept, although mostly to say that your chances of getting this made are most unlikely without credentials in filming or writing within the industry first. The likelihood of members of the BBS being able to get your concept moving along with the current IP holders are just as unlikely.

The letter writing campaign that kept TOS online for that third and final season was probably the one time this has happened, although if it has happened for another TV series, I prepare to stand corrected. But that campaign was for a series ALREADY in production.

The suggestion to do it as a fan film might not be what you really want, but if the proposition of doing it as a film series are daunting, you could always consider doing it as an AUDIO series. There have been lots of those I believe, multi "season" in scope, which, while still require investment in sound and editing equipment as well as voice acting, might be a better way to get your story out there. Especially one as wide-ranging in time and concept as the multispecies crew. Obviously, you've given us a brief overview, without giving us a specific timeframe (no, not fishing, understand totally you want to protect your projects story), but wherever and WHENEVER it is set, you could have thumbnail art even for an audio series that give listeners a look at what characters, uniforms, ships or planets look like, without worrying about costuming, makeup or VFX.

Hope this is helpful in trying to see you find realistic expectations for your project.
 
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As long as you're having fun Marky, keep going and ignore any naysayers. The minute the fun stops so should you.
 
As long as you're having fun Marky, keep going and ignore any naysayers. The minute the fun stops so should you.
Agreed. Fans spend way too much time worrying over canon, and officialness and don't work to produce something they genuinely enjoy. When I did fan films it was for the fun of it, designing new aspects of a world I enjoyed, not worrying over copyright or publishing it to the audience.

To me, that's the best part of being a fan: getting creative.
 
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