What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Citiprime]

I find hard to believe there wouldn't be something like that even for the military or NASA.

It does exist for the military and there are closed networks for businesses. But not a public internet for the masses.

From the For All Mankind wiki:

The Government Computer Network is a massive network of government computers all linked together, including the DoD, CIA, State Department, and NASA. It is highly regulated by the US government and only very few services are available for public use.
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Basically, in this timeline, the US government only allows it to be used for an email equivalent and video mail. This might be a result of the Soviet Union's continued existence into the 21st century and the US government being shy about sharing the particulars of a technology that started out as a military program.

 

[Macintosh]

So actually there is an internet, but not a world wide web.

 

[1001001]

For All Mankind can be discussed in the SFF forum.

 

[Tallguy]

Right. Why are we not discussing Doctor Who?

 

[JoseNoodles]

TNG would have to be a very different show if Phase II was made.

I wonder if TNG in this universe wouldn't be our TNG and Voyager merged into one show. Like they do TNG for seven years, and then decide to revamp it with a new crew, and maybe new ship. However, they keep the TNG name.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Right. Why are we not discussing Doctor Who?

Doctor Who is where we discuss Star Wars.

 

[FormerLurker]

I wonder if TNG in this universe wouldn't be our TNG and Voyager merged into one show. Like they do TNG for seven years, and then decide to revamp it with a new crew, and maybe new ship. However, they keep the TNG name.

I wish they'd done that, but with the same ship, in the first place.

 

[Coops]

What were you trying to write, sweetie?

Lee Cronin <hangs head>.

Happens on my phone more than you'd expect. It's annoying because I live near Conway so use the word a lot, possibly why the phone attempts to crow-bar it into so many messages. And, of course, the locals prefer the Welsh spelling as 'Conwy' anyway so when I get it right I'm getting it wrong.

 

[Lord Garth]

Another aspect to this, the internet doesn't exist in the For All Mankind timeline even into the 21st century.

That would mean there's no Netflix equivalent or streaming that would begin syphoning off content in the aughts. Also, the nature of fandom would be different. No instantaneous reactions and fan carping about every bit of news.

I'm liking this alternate version of Star Trek more and more.

No one spray-painting their graffiti everywhere.

The only drawback is losing TMP's visuals. "In Thy Image" would look lower-budget. Also, if you haven't seen TMP in a theater (like I was able to do in 2019), you can't truly understand what you're missing out on by not being able to see TMP in one. No, I don't care how big your Big-Screen TV is, it's still not the same thing.

I've been able to see all the TOS Movies in a theater now except for TSFS (I'll finally be able to fix that if they have a 40th Anniversary screening this year). None of them lose as much as TMP loses when not being seen in a theater. The small screen really doesn't do TMP justice at all.

 

[Macintosh]

The only drawback is losing TMP's visuals. "In Thy Image" would look lower-budget. Also, if you haven't seen TMP in a theater (like I was able to do in 2019), you can't truly understand what you're missing out on by not being able to see TMP in one. No, I don't care how big your Big-Screen TV is, it's still not the same thing.

Controversial opinion time – TMP's much-maligned "flying round the Enterprise" sequence isn't gratuitous at all, it's magnificent, and perfectly shows off the Enterprise's amazing glow-up.

 

[Citiprime]

The only drawback is losing TMP's visuals. "In Thy Image" would look lower-budget. Also, if you haven't seen TMP in a theater (like I was able to do in 2019), you can't truly understand what you're missing out on by not being able to see TMP in one. No, I don't care how big your Big-Screen TV is, it's still not the same thing.

Also, I would guess that Jerry Goldsmith's theme from TMP, which has basically become the theme for Star Trek, never exists in that universe either, especially since it wasn't the original theme for the movie conceived by Goldsmith and only happened after Robert Wise asked Goldsmith to go back to the drawing board.

Controversial opinion time – TMP's much-maligned "flying round the Enterprise" sequence isn't gratuitous at all, it's magnificent, and perfectly shows off the Enterprise's amazing glow-up.

It's my favorite moment in the entire movie. It not only sells Kirk's connection to the Enterprise, which he has just told Scotty that he had to jump through hoops to get her back, but it displays the Enterprise as a modern wonder of human progress. It's a majestic machine that speaks to humanity's achievements in this future.

And I think the contrast of it inside V'Ger is something which makes this scene even more impactful later in the movie. We spend 4 minutes flying around the Enterprise as this enormous, wonderous machine, but there's a really memorable shot of the Enterprise inside V'Ger where it looks like a bug traversing a void in contrast, and really sells how odd and weird V'Ger is.

 

[fireproof78]

The scene would work if it wasn't an emergency.

 

[1001001]

The scene would work if it wasn't an emergency.

And if it didn’t take 20 minutes.

 

[Paul755]

Controversial opinion time – TMP's much-maligned "flying round the Enterprise" sequence isn't gratuitous at all, it's magnificent, and perfectly shows off the Enterprise's amazing glow-up.

the Enterprise fly-by is maligned?

 

[fireproof78]

the Enterprise fly-by is maligned?

Yes.

It's a weird shift in pacing, takes forever during a supposed crisis, and gives conflicting information.

 

[BillJ]

Yes.

It's a weird shift in pacing, takes forever during a supposed crisis, and gives conflicting information.

What conflicting information? The ship still wasn’t launching for 12 hours.

 

[fireproof78]

What conflicting information? The ship still wasn’t launching for 12 hours.

So we just tool around until launch and grin like idiots?

It lands oddly.

 

[cooleddie74]

They spent $46 million in 1978 and 1979 dollars on this movie. They were going to show off everything they could and dial into it. It's not everyone's cup of tea but I love the ship porn set to epic Jerry Goldsmith music.

 

[BillJ]

So we just tool around until launch and grin like idiots?

It lands oddly.

It was a way to introduce the audience to the new Enterprise.

 

[cooleddie74]

And man, does it land beautifully for me.