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"The thing" can very much be defined. *I* used that as a stand-in for whatever the project is.
If the creators think, "Hey, fans really like the original Star Trek show, right? So let's make a nostalgia show that's a prequel to that and really lean in on that nostalgia to sell it."
It seems... logical... to try to make something that resembles the original Star Trek show, i.e. "the thing".
If the creators decide, "Yeah, but the original Star Trek is too dated and won't work for modern audiences". Then... the logical answer is again is, then don't do it.
I would say the logical thing would be to update it for modern audiences. It's a fictional television show about the future, not a historical drama.
Star Trek is not a period piece.
That's ok, but then it's not Star Trek. It's generic modern looking pop sci-fi with some buzzwords attached to it.
If I watch Star Wars, and just name "The Millenium Falcon" the "Enterprise", it's Star Trek now!
Sure it is.
Oh please. It's not like the updates have been massive departures from the "look" of Star Trek. The Enterprise still looks like The Enterprise.
Star Wars design aesthetics aren't as dated as 60's Trek.
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This needs to be a stickied post—not just here but across the entire goddamned internet.
That's literally what they are doing with SNW and what is being asked for with Legacy in some degree.
So, not a fan of TMP then?
I was more asking who the Twitter/X user was but fair enough. My Dune knowledge was weak.
You and I define "literally" much differently.
Although SNW is much better than whatever the hell it was that Discovery was doing. Alot of of my issues with SNW are more nitpicky. Had they done SNW from the jump, i'd certainly be much less knee-jerk with the nuTrek stuff.
TMP is great.
The thing is when you "update" something it needs to make sense and be an update, not a retcon or reboot... unless you want to make it a reboot. That's fine.
TMP is totally fine. It's a progression from the show, just like TNG was a progression from that.
If you're going to set something in a spot without having anything predefined, there's much more freedom to do whatever. When you're dropping into something into an established work, I expect it to match the established work. If they wanted to make a slick, new, modern updated Star Trek... there was an effortless way to do that. It was Picard. They did it twice in the past already, with TMP and TNG.
What's hilarious is that possibly the greatest failure in Star Trek was... Enterprise. A prequel that tried to modernize everything.
Yeah, '09 did it too and was successful... but '09 actually gave it a reason to make sense contained within the work itself.
Now, Klingons have marble mouths, two penis' and no hair because "that's just how Klingons look".
You and I define progression much differently.
Yes, because it's art not history. It doesn't need to capture the exact nature of a 60s era interpretation of technology; just the feel of it. It's episodic, uses similar technology for similar purposes, and does the action/adventure with occasional social commentary. That's far closer to TOS than TNG was at the start, and TMP or TWOK even.
The failure of Enterprise had absolutely nothing to do with the shows design aesthetics.
Gene? Is that you?
"a move forward".
TMP was... later than TOS.
TNG was... later than TMP.
It had... progressed.
It's both, really.
I don't watch Star Trek for all the hallmarks being "episodic, using technology, and action/adventure".
I want it to look, sound, and feel like Star Trek. SNW does it much better than DSC did, but it could be even better. They could still do the "visual update" while staying closer to the original. I would prefer they came the same shapes and colors for things, and add more detail, better lighting, etc. when necessary. I think it does get some things very right. The tricorders and phasers are perfect. The uniforms are totally fine, I can 100% buy them as being TOS uniforms. They're not exactly the same, but they're close. Enterprise WAS supposed to be closer, but they changed Eaves' originally design.
By that logic, The Beatles and Metallica are the same thing. They both use drums, guitars, and vocals to produce an ordered sound. If you like The Beatles, you would definitely like Metallica as well. They do the same thing.
Trek works best when you treat it as if it is. It's one of the things that gave trek it's timeless quality.
Disagree.
Very strongly.
Complete opposite, more strongly disagree with this disagree.
One of the best things about Trek is it's massive, shared universe.
Once you disregard that, it just becomes generic dime-a-dozen sci-fi.
SNW got closer. It's... "Star Trek". It works well as a reboot that's not connected to older Star Trek works. And that's totally ok, there's nothing wrong with making a separate work. It's just annoying that they don't just admit the obvious. Although I suppose they did... it canonically is NOT TOS, as per "Tommorow and Tommorow and Tommorow".
I'm not super interested in SNW, because I like the connected Star Trek universe. SNW is fine, maybe a good starting point to grow a new Star Trek universe out of, but i'd rather they just continue with the old one.
Pike's story is directly continued from the Cage.
It is connected and a continuation. The shared history has not changed.
It is connected and a continuation. The shared history has not changed.
Which Star Trek has never done.
They didn't.
If Strange New Worlds isn't considered part of prime timeline, than neither is TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, etc.
Then you should love Strange New Worlds. It's deeply connected to the Star Trek universe.
Just because I happen to like it, I'm gonna stick up for Discovery here. I felt it did a good job of updating while still being Star Trek. I know I'm a minority. I wish it had always been a sequel instead of being originally pre-TOS, but that didn't stop me from enjoying it.
Maybe they shouldn't be. Maybe they should be taken as their own standalone thing and judged as such not as trying to fit in to a narrowing definition of a STAR TREK box.
100% this as well. Discovery gets razzed all the time but it still took the Star Trek concept of a person becoming better to a better depth than a lot of other Trek.
Even though DIS has recovered nicely, S1 of DIS will be a good example of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
Literally too many ways that season could have been handled, even as a series set ten years before TOS.
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