Do you have any examples of someone saying “burn down the house” for fun?
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Do you have any examples of someone saying “burn down the house” for fun?
Actually, you can. What you can't do is falsely holler "Fire!" in a crowded movie house. (The jury is still out on falsely hollering "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse.)
Has Star Trek always been politically informed? Sure. Has it always been partisan to a very specific point of view though? No.
Most celebrates probably care more about sharing their politics than whatever project they're currently involved in. So "performing politics" gets amplified in that type of environment.
Civil discourse has greatly declined in the last decade. Interacting pseuodo-anonomously with masses of people on social media can be unsafe in an era of doxxing attempts, attempted cancelations to destroy livelihoods, swatting incidents, lastword-itas, and people wanting their dopamine hits. Narcissistic behaviors are greatly overdetermined online. So protect yourself by not sharing personal information or using common usernames across multiple locations.
Many BBSes have moderation. How rules are actually enforced can very. Whereas Twitter wise, that space had a bit of a polaric inversion over the last few years...
There are consequences, on this board you do have moderators that overlook things, and if you go beyond the pale, then you can get suspended or banned.
But that is if your like threatening violence on somebody, or like on here attacking another poster personally.
But if its just an opinion that maybe 75% of people on here don't agree on... owell, they maybe called a moron or an idiot, ( which might get you banned for calling them that) but you can say it.
Same with say some actors X account, don't like them or there politics.. don't follow or don't watch them.
People have a right to express their opinions on social media, even celebrities.
There is quite a difference between expressing one's political beliefs and discussing destruction of someone else's property.
And even then, such discussion will result in a further discussion around safety, not banning your right to speech.
THAT sounds like at least 400 actors and actressses I still continue to like, one of whom is George Takei.
Okay, lets inch down to cancel culture a bit..
2 examples, Jonathan Majors, Gina Carano
Now, Jon didn't say anything on X or that, but was accused of ( and eventually convicted) of assault. Now What Disney did was wait until the trial and see if he was guilty, but plenty of people wanted him gone from the moment the accusation came up. I actually agree with what Disney did, wait and see, and when he was convicted, he was dropped like a hot rock.
Now Gina was a whole another thing, she was posting stuff on X, her personal beliefs etc, and was fired. Do I in my opinion think that was right? No. She was speaking her mind like any other actor or actress, some even worse, but because we have this Left or Right problem, since she was "right wing" she was cancelled, but somebody who I think says worse things keeps there job.
So that comes down to Who Judges? or Who watches the Watchers?? Its never going to be equal justice.
But in these instances, its a private company, and if they don't want X or Y working for them because of almost whatever reason, today were talking about Social media posts, then they can do whatever they want.
2 examples, Jonathan Majors, Gina Carano
Now, Jon didn't say anything on X or that, but was accused of ( and eventually convicted) of assault. Now What Disney did was wait until the trial and see if he was guilty, but plenty of people wanted him gone from the moment the accusation came up. I actually agree with what Disney did, wait and see, and when he was convicted, he was dropped like a hot rock.
Now Gina was a whole another thing, she was posting stuff on X, her personal beliefs etc, and was fired. Do I in my opinion think that was right? No. She was speaking her mind like any other actor or actress, some even worse, but because we have this Left or Right problem, since she was "right wing" she was cancelled, but somebody who I think says worse things keeps there job.
So that comes down to Who Judges? or Who watches the Watchers?? Its never going to be equal justice.
But in these instances, its a private company, and if they don't want X or Y working for them because of almost whatever reason, today were talking about Social media posts, then they can do whatever they want.
She was not "cancelled" for being right-wing. Her employer declined to hire her for future productions because she made antisemitic remarks on social media. This is an example of someone having consequences for free speech, and is also an example of the right to freedom of association in action -- her employer deciding that it no longer wanted to associate with her.
At no point was Carano censored. She had the right to make whatever antisemitic remarks she wanted, and still has that right.
She can say whatever she wants, Disney also has a right to associate themselves with whomever they choose. And if they decide she isn’t good for the brand image they want to present, they can choose to disassociate themselves from her. Which they did.
More than the speaker has rights in any given situation. Just like I can choose to block someone here if I find what they post offensive.
EDIT: @Sci beat me to it!
Exactly. It's not a government agency (at the least in the US) so the private entities can restrict and have consequences as they want. And people can go to other platforms to share their views.
That is the nature of speech.
So just to catch up on this, we're not going to make politically minded arson advocate fans march naked through a con while everyone yells "Shame?"at them?
that's fine.. I guess.
(pockets his zippo and backs away from a bratwurst, bread rolls, and toothpick model of NCC-1701)
that's fine.. I guess.
(pockets his zippo and backs away from a bratwurst, bread rolls, and toothpick model of NCC-1701)
Your mask is slipping.
This could probably have been seen as a political statement by those so inclined.
However, if Star Trek actors choose to make public statements along the lines of "Don't be in such a rush to read in a lot of stuff which was never there, just to suit your own prejudices and preconceptions," then I'm pretty much OK with that.
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Thanks for the response. The main issue at least for me is how the algorithm works that amplifies these views. While I don’t intentionally follow these accounts it’s made worse when some trek celebrities go that route and I have to change my feed to fix it. Look at Sean Ferrick for example. He recently posted his take on the current middle east conflict which his first post was so so, but then his reply was more outrage gotcha style.
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Yeah if actors choose to say something then that’s ok and within their obligation since it’s their personal account. The problem arises when people don’t balance their personal account with their social account when they should know it’s public to everyone.
They shouldn't have to balance it. It's their views.
Our choice to read or ignore.
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Yeah but then job opportunities and political limitations for x reasons. Yeah as a consumer we can choose to do whatever but my problem is not the actors themselves but mainly the people who host giant Trek channels on places like Youtube who’s audience are mostly there for the Trek stuff.
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