Is there a room aboard the Excelsior with pictures or models of past Excelsiors?

[Shat Happens]

We saw them on the NX-01 and the refit NCC1701. Picard's ship had models of starships only.

Now if you look for some Excelsiors in Wikipedia,

Excelsior the tank:

Excelsior the ship:

Excelsior the this:

Excelsior the car

Excelsior motorcycle:

 

[fireproof78]

Are they named Excelsior or is it just the model/class?

 

[1001001]

 

[XCV330]

I can toss in my Excelsior University bumper sticker I never put on my car.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yes there is. Now the real question is the USS Raging Queen. What do the crew of that ship display pictures or models of to represent the heritage of that name?

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Was literally about to say they should have a statue of Stan Lee

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Don't forget plenty of this Excelsior:

And the poem, of course.

 

[Oddish]

I say it depends on the whims of either the ship's original designer or the captain.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes there is. Now the real question is the USS Raging Queen. What do the crew of that ship display pictures or models of to represent the heritage of that name?

A gallery depicting the winners of every Drag Race

 

[Dukhat]

The prime universe canonicity is debatable, but there was at least one previous Excelsior before the NX-2000: the red three-nacelled Armstrong class Excelsior NCC-1729, which might have been the ship Sulu was going to command in the cut scene of TWOK.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes there is. Now the real question is the USS Raging Queen. What do the crew of that ship display pictures or models of to represent the heritage of that name?

Pretty sure that was a reference to an SNL sketch from the 70s.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The prime universe canonicity is debatable, but there was at least one previous Excelsior before the NX-2000: the red three-nacelled Armstrong class Excelsior NCC-1729, which might have been the ship Sulu was going to command in the cut scene of TWOK.

In the old Star Fleet Technical Manual, that ship was a Constitution-class. I think even with the same number.

That said, the Farragut used to be a Constitution class so ummm...

 

[somebuddyX]

Is there a room on U.S.S. Voyager with a picture of Voyager VI?

 

[FredH]

In the old Star Fleet Technical Manual, that ship was a Constitution-class. I think even with the same number.

That said, the Farragut used to be a Constitution class so ummm...

Not that they have to hold to it, but if a Luna-class can be refit into a Constitution III-class, it’s probably not so hard to convert a Constitution (I)-class into an Excelsior or other two-nacelled configuration. For whatever reason.

 

[The Wormhole]

if a Luna-class can be refit into a Constitution III-class,

We have no evidence that it was, aside from some sloppy dialogue in Picard S3 written by a guy who doesn't seem to know what the word "refit" means. Like in Picard S2, the Stargazer is described as a refit of the ship Picard commanded early in his career. Yet in S3, we see that original Stargazer in the Fleet Museum.

 

[HotRod]

We have no evidence that it was, aside from some sloppy dialogue in Picard S3 written by a guy who doesn't seem to know what the word "refit" means. Like in Picard S2, the Stargazer is described as a refit of the ship Picard commanded early in his career. Yet in S3, we see that original Stargazer in the Fleet Museum.

 

[FredH]

We have no evidence that it was, aside from some sloppy dialogue in Picard S3 written by a guy who doesn't seem to know what the word "refit" means. Like in Picard S2, the Stargazer is described as a refit of the ship Picard commanded early in his career. Yet in S3, we see that original Stargazer in the Fleet Museum.

So, we have no evidence that it was — other than onscreen dialogue saying it was. Until we see the Titan at the Fleet Museum too, that’s what we have: onscreen dialogue saying it was. Our aesthetic opinions either way about the writer are irrelevant.

 

[publiusr]

In the old Star Fleet Technical Manual, that ship was a Constitution-class....

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Aridas had it as NCC-1718
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/federationreference/viewtopic.php?p=23555#p23555

He had it as a Phase II in one drawing.

 

[The Wormhole]

So, we have no evidence that it was — other than onscreen dialogue saying it was. Until we see the Titan at the Fleet Museum too, that’s what we have: onscreen dialogue saying it was. Our aesthetic opinions either way about the writer are irrelevant.

Why would the class name change with a refit? We have no evidence of other ships getting a new class name when they got refit. For that matter, why would the ship get its registry number changed just because it was refit.

Besides, the dialogue is very sloppy on the matter. The Titan is described as "still having that new ship smell" despite the fact that Shaw is stated to have been commanding it for five years, and that its engines are twenty years old.

Then things get really weird given Matalas apparently told Todd Stashwick the Titan A was launched in 2402, leading Stashwick to get this t-shirt made for himself. Never mind the fact that a launch date in 2402 is a very interesting trick for a season set in the year 2401, such a "recent" launch date would also seem to contradict the dialogue given in the show seemingly stating Shaw took over command of the Titan from Riker.

Bottom line, the writing in Picard S3 is a damn mess and its best not to take anything stated in that season at face value. I know, Trek fans are all about mindlessly adhering to Canon and the Words Spoken Onscreen, but maybe in this instance think the matter through and contextualize it to see if it even makes sense before trying to build an argument around it.

 

[FredH]

Why would the class name change with a refit? We have no evidence of other ships getting a new class name when they got refit. For that matter, why would the ship get its registry number changed just because it was refit.

Besides, the dialogue is very sloppy on the matter. The Titan is described as "still having that new ship smell" despite the fact that Shaw is stated to have been commanding it for five years, and that its engines are twenty years old.

Then things get really weird given Matalas apparently told Todd Stashwick the Titan A was launched in 2402, leading Stashwick to get this t-shirt made for himself. Never mind the fact that a launch date in 2402 is a very interesting trick for a season set in the year 2401, such a "recent" launch date would also seem to contradict the dialogue given in the show seemingly stating Shaw took over command of the Titan from Riker.

Bottom line, the writing in Picard S3 is a damn mess and its best not to take anything stated in that season at face value. I know, Trek fans are all about mindlessly adhering to Canon and the Words Spoken Onscreen, but maybe in this instance think the matter through and contextualize it to see if it even makes sense before trying to build an argument around it.

Honestly — and this is really all I think I should say further on this — I see and even get the arguments you’re making here, but it reminds me of a discussion I had with someone at a Doctor Who meetup shortly after we first got a glimpse of “Presenting Sir John Hurt as the Doctor!”, but before the following season. A fellow I got to talking with about it went into excellent, detailed argument explaining why Hurt could not possibly be playing an actual previous incarnation of the Doctor whom we hadn’t been shown before.

The show did it anyway, of course. All the reasons in the world a given viewer might disagree with it didn’t change this.