What happens if you beam a person to the exact same space a person already is in?

[Shat Happens]

In Doom, the gory videogame, the term is "telefrag". The person explodes. Gibs.

But I am thinking about the episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday"

Bonus complication, the persons beamed onto are time-displaced copies of the persons beamed unto.

 

[urbandefault]

In Doom, the gory videogame, the term is "telefrag". The person explodes. Gibs.

But I am thinking about the episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday"

Bonus complication, the persons beamed onto are time-displaced copies of the persons beamed unto.

I haven't seen that one in a while, but didn't they beam Capt. Christopher into his aircraft at the exact moment he was initially beamed out?

 

[aridas sofia]

I haven't seen that one in a while, but didn't they beam Capt. Christopher into his aircraft at the exact moment he was initially beamed out?

I think it was the intention to imply that. The problem is, the jet was breaking up when he was originally beamed out. So they would have been unable to wait until breakup without leaving him in a very precarious situation. So, you end up with this unsatisfactory solution. I mean, how did he lose his memory of what had transpired? Did McCoy magically remove that with an injection before he beamed out? It’s all left vague.

 

[urbandefault]

I think it was the intention to imply that. The problem is, the jet was breaking up when he was originally beamed out. So they would have been unable to wait until breakup without leaving him in a very precarious situation. So, you end up with this unsatisfactory solution. I mean, how did he lose his memory of what had transpired? Did McCoy magically remove that with an injection before he beamed out? It’s all left vague.

I don't know. It never occurred to me that it wasn't perfectly logical.

Of course, I was 11 or 12 the first time I saw it, in early 70s syndication, with all the time cuts and stuff.

I was just excited to get home from school and see what was on that day.

 

[1001001]

Do you want Tuvix?

Because that’s how you get Tuvix.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

The transporter's targeting scanner would block the beam-down attempt due to invalid coordinates. Please re-target and try again.

 

[BK613]

In Doom, the gory videogame, the term is "telefrag". The person explodes. Gibs.

The first FPS I remember that happening in was Unreal Tournament. At least as an option the player had (since you had a 'translocator' that you could use to frag others with).

But I am thinking about the episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday"

Bonus complication, the persons beamed onto are time-displaced copies of the persons beamed unto.

You zip the divergent time streams back together....

 

[David cgc]

One of the DTI novels once suggested that it was transporter magic that allowed it to work, and that they accidentally invented the thing the timeship in the Voyager episode "Relativity" was using to merge multiple alternate timeline versions of a person into a single individual.

You can sort of smooth it all together, quantum physics, uncertainty principle, it's all just atoms and waves and superpositions, and the transporter already has to manipulate those forces in powerful and subtle ways. Captain Christopher is basically Schrödinger's Cat, except you time-traveled and got two cats, one was dead and one was alive, and you smushed them back together into one cat. Unbaking the proverbial cake. It probably wouldn't work with two different people, or even the same person who's been separated in time long enough that enough of their atoms have cycled out and been replaced.

 

[Tenacity]

I mean, how did he lose his memory of what had transpired?

I don't think he forgot, Christopher would remember everything, the bright light, his aircraft breaking up, suddenly being on a future spaceship, etc.. But there would be no proof of any of it. If he was smart he'd keep his mouth shut, retain his flying status, stay out of a mental hospital, and quietly look forward to the birth of his future son.

Similar with the military policeman. He was in a corridor, had a strange dream, and then he was still in the same corridor.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Shaun probably posts the story his father once told him on one of those "glitch in the matrix" Reddit threads.

 

[aridas sofia]

I don't think he forgot, Christopher would remember everything, the bright light, his aircraft breaking up, suddenly being on a future spaceship, etc.. But there would be no proof of any of it. If he was smart he'd keep his mouth shut, retain his flying status, stay out of a mental hospital, and quietly look forward to the birth of his future son.

Similar with the military policeman. He was in a corridor, had a strange dream, and then he was still in the same corridor.

The point of NOT letting him return was that his knowledge of the future could influence the way history would play out. There is either one conundrum or the other - he either lost his memory without us being shown how (in addition to being beamed back into his plane before he had been beamed out), or he kept his memory and somehow avoided changing events. And while the oft-employed argument that “his time on the future spaceship must always have been part of history” is the convenient explanation - and maybe actually LED to his son going to Saturn - it is a bit of a cop out that evades the very problem that so occupied their concerns.

 

[blssdwlf]

In Doom, the gory videogame, the term is "telefrag". The person explodes. Gibs.

But I am thinking about the episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday"

Bonus complication, the persons beamed onto are time-displaced copies of the persons beamed unto.

Also in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" the time-traveling Enterprise at the end of the episode erases the Enterprise from the beginning of the episode by just time-traveling through the same points so there must be some time-travel property that allows them to overwrite people and objects with transporters or moving through the same points in space and time without exploding them

 

[Henoch]

My thoughts: Since time travel is involved during the beaming process, the beam-ees are combined with their past selves like done in The Enemy Within and Tuvix - two bodies become one, and the subject experiences temporal displacement which possibly results in a telescoping effect with their memories; their most recent memories (running around on the Enterprise with Kirk and eating chicken soup) are perceived as vague past memories, and their past memories (flying the jet thinking he sees a UFO, patrolling the halls and thinks he hears a noise) are now strongly perceived as their current memories. The subjects still have memories of all of the events, but will be jumbled as to the time order of things. Both probably keep it to themselves if they don't want to be deemed mentally unfit and discharged from the military (i.e. "Section VIII").

SPOCK: A theory. A reverse application of what happened to us. Logically, it could work. Also, logically, there are a hundred variables, any one of which could put us in a worse position than we're in now.
KIRK: We're going to have to go back and get those reports and photos. If the Captain feels duty bound to report what he saw, there won't be any evidence to support him.
CHRISTOPHER: That makes me out to be either a liar or a fool.
KIRK: Perhaps.
SPOCK: Not at all. You'll simply be one of the thousands who thought he saw a UFO.

Net effect is that Captain Christopher reports he saw a UFO but then it suddenly vanished, and when they look into his wing camera film, it mysteriously can't be found in the lab. Security may also learn that a patrolling guard thought he hear a noise in the photography lab, but saw nothing in the lab when he investigated it. Both people have jumbled thoughts of the Enterprise stuff sometime in their pasts, but don't elaborate on it since they can't explain it themselves. When Christophers wife has a baby boy, he always had thoughts that he wanted a boy named Shaun Geoffrey Christopher.

 

[Shat Happens]

Do you want Tuvix?

Because that’s how you get Tuvix.

next question: and what if it's 3 people? please don't say Threevix

 

[Ssosmcin]

I don't think he forgot, Christopher would remember everything, the bright light, his aircraft breaking up, suddenly being on a future spaceship, etc.. But there would be no proof of any of it. If he was smart he'd keep his mouth shut, retain his flying status, stay out of a mental hospital, and quietly look forward to the birth of his future son.

Similar with the military policeman. He was in a corridor, had a strange dream, and then he was still in the same corridor.

Nah he didn't forget, because they beamed him back to the point before he met anyone. That was the whole point of going back and beaming him and the guard home BEFORE they met the Enterprise crew. It doesn't make any sense as shown because 60's Star Trek, but that was the entire point of the climax. He and the guard had nothing to remember and future history is saved.

 

[1001001]

next question: and what if it's 3 people? please don't say Threevix

Trivix?

 

[Ssosmcin]

Trivix?

If this were TMP, it would be Crispix

 

[Shat Happens]

 

[F. King Daniel]

next question: and what if it's 3 people? please don't say Threevix

There was literally a Lower Decks episode about that

 

[1001001]