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The Kelvin Timeline Starship Thread
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Marcus had a model of the NX-01 on his desk. It's possible the version in the comic was a later upgrade, though that doesn't make much sense; the nacelle styling matches the JJ-Prise, which seemed to be a style so new it was effectively one-of-a-kind in the movies, not an aesthetic that had been in use for over a hundred years.
Thankfully those comics are non-canon. Maybe in some parallel universe that's what the NX-01 looked like but the timeline didn't change until 72 years after the vessel was decommissioned and the screen-accurate model on Admiral Marcus' desk along with one of the NX technology testbed ships seen in "First Flight(ENT)" shows that the 22nd century history we saw in the prequel series is the same in the Kelvin Timeline.
I'll say this if there is a Fourth Kelvin movie that they redesign the Enterprise-A bridge to look less like an apple store and more akin to what we've seen on Strange New Worlds.
Agreed. The Kelvin 1701 bridge is not very good looking. Bright. And the bright lighting is cool. But not pretty. So...yeah.
Can I go to the Apple store that looks like the Kelvin bridge? I haven't been in many but it would be nice to feel like I'm on that bridge.
And, aside from SNW and TOS, the Kelvin bridge is favorite.
And, aside from SNW and TOS, the Kelvin bridge is favorite.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me an Apple Store which looks like the JJ-prise bridge: all straight lines and right-angle corners, housed inside a near-cubical module.
I hope as they upgrade the SNW bridge in tiny ways each season, that it looks more like the Church/Chambliss 09 bridge that carries the 60s optimism forward and feels in no way like any Apple store I've been to. Sure, I could be happy with fewer transparent displays and eye level lights, but what is Star Trek if not good eyelighting?
A bit of an older comment but I just got here to see it, I agree and this how it SHOULD be... but there are some on the creator side who say that it's not actually a divergent timeline, the Kelvin Timeline is a parallel universe that had already been different.
Although in the grand scheme, I don't think the Pre-Narada ships have any issue fitting into the Prime Timeline. USS Kelvin is... big, but I never understood why people seem to rate a ships tech level by how big it is. There's nothing actually wrong with a pre-TOS ship being large, ESPECIALLY since it seems that the Kelvin may have been involved in colonial missions or the like. It had a crap ton of shuttles... it may have been big due to it's mission profile of needing to move alot of stuff around.
The Newton actually looks like a perfect step from ENT to TOS.
Franklin works design-wise... the lore is wonky, although I suppose there's no particular reason there couldn't have been a competing warp design to the NX-Project.
According to Pegg and company, it was a ripple effect in both directions through time, so not entirely parallel nor entirely divergent. All the various contortions of it's the same but different but the same but different all reek of having their cake and eating it too, but... that's kind of fine in this case, as they don't actually belabor it in the films themselves, mostly. It's key to their existence and their plotting, but works just fine even if there hadn't been existing timelines, Nimoy notwithstanding, though even his involvement would work without the background.
The model on the desk more or less pins down the NX, but even then it's still pretty malleable.
But yes, absolutely agree to agree about the size of ships and the Kelvin etc etc etc! People really get hung up on bigger means more advanced, and it categorically does not. The Probert size chart and D wall display kind of enforce that in people's minds, but not all ships are Enterprises anyway.
Probably had less reliance on transporters, so carried more shuttles.
But I agree with you, if anything it's arguable pre-TOS ships should be larger, since technology tends to get miniaturized over time, plus presumably ships could carry smaller crews as the technology and automation improves. This is sort of shown by the 1701-D and Voyager's nacelles being proportionally smaller than the TOS period, but I suppose that wasn't as aesthetically pleasing as we're back to big ass nacelles for the 1701-E.
Is it?
While the size of the JJprise has generally been accepted at 725m, I'm not sure if a definitive size was ever agreed upon for the Kelvin.
Eaglemoss listed her at 315m long....
Which is what Moebius Models went with when they released their 1:1000 scale model kit. Which looks pretty good when compared to a 442m long Enterprise of the same scale.
Which is what Moebius Models went with when they released their 1:1000 scale model kit. Which looks pretty good when compared to a 442m long Enterprise of the same scale.
That's more reasonable, but either way the ship still fits.
I'm usually a canon purist, but I take it somewhat literally. Unless it's in dialogue or shown onscreen, I can be comfortable ignoring it. I'm less concerned with "apparent size". I can handwave it to be whatever.
Regardless, I still don't think "big" is an issue, or implies something is more or less advanced. Not really sure where people get this idea that size proliferation matters.
I really do think Kelvin works well to bridge the gap between ENT and TOS/nuTOS. In a holistic way... not just the exterior of the ship, but everything. The interiors. The uniforms. It all works perfectly fine. It even retroactively works with Discovery... I can see how the Kelvin uniforms could become the Discovery uniforms, and can even see something of an homage back in the early TNG uniforms.
You'll get no argument from me. I love everything about the Kelvin.
The Kelvin is the best 23rd century design of the entire post-Berman era of Trek with the sole exception of the SNW Enterprise.
I wish Enterprise took more cues from Kelvin. I don't hate the Konnie, but I don't love it either. For being the hero ship, I think it's also the worst looking of them all. It's fine, just kind of meh.
Vengeance is sexy. Again WAY too damn big... especially given that like, everything is apparently automated on it. But really that's exactly what I envisioned a truly militarized Starfleet ship to look like.
Indeed. I was almost going to say... in all fairness there's not a ton of competition, but then I forgot about Discovery, as i've tried hard to do. All of those designs are trash (aside from maybe the Nimitz... it looks pretty cool, but not really as a Pre-TOS ship.)
SNW Enterprise does look great, but it will forever bug me that it's... just... not Enterprise. It looks good. It looks very good. It just doesn't look right. A few small tweaks would make it much closer... straight nacelles, no random negative space in them. Color pallet closer to TOS, less brown/bronze, more white/bone. Really just those two and i'm probably more satisfied. I'm going to ignore size differences, so I still try to reconcile an early 2260's refit that brings it to TOS configuration, or at least closer to it.
The SNW cobbled together Crossfield was pretty cool looking too.
People seem to forget that both ships were designed as a response to a massive Romulan ship attacking.
I get WHY things are different... they just... really don't need to be huge for the sake of being huge.
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