Hell, I do it all the time, even if just for my own amusement.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Well, technically, every single moment and line in an entire show or movie is aimed at the audience.
I'm doing a Mr. Roper camera grin after realizing this is still going.
I believe it was directed at the others in sickbay. In-universe, McCoy did not get the last word--especially in arguments with Spock--something the audience had witnessed for more than a season up to that point--so, his being able to silence everyone, capped off with a big smile was an acknowledgement of his rare "win".
I'm doing a Mr. Roper camera grin after realizing this is still going.
You are welcome!
I'm doing a Mr. Roper camera grin after realizing this is still going.
Dennis Miller once remarked Mr. Roper was basically Yassir Arafat after a shave.
Not the way I saw it but here, people can make up their own minds if it's breaking the fourth wall or not.
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In the James Blish TREK 4 adaptation, Bones was speaking to Amanda.
I think the moment is priceless just as is, whoever he was talking to (even if himself). And I wonder what Kirk was about to say.
I think the moment is priceless just as is, whoever he was talking to (even if himself). And I wonder what Kirk was about to say.
I guess you're suggesting that my opinion may be less qualified than yours?
That's not the case. I do know what I'm talking about and my opinion is as well-founded as yours.
I never suggested anything of the sort. I was stating examples of people doing such a thing, and how common it is for people to do such a thing. (Giving examples... you know, what someone usually does when trying to make their point clear.)
And I never said your opinion wasn't well-founded. I simply disagree with it.
I'm fine with moving on to whatever the next subject will be.
(To the audience) This was when I realized that the discussion that was rather pointless to begin with was starting to slip off the tracks.
Then I considered if narration counted as breaking the fourth wall. There was a cold sensation creeping up my spine as I started to wonder about Captain's Logs...
Then I considered if narration counted as breaking the fourth wall. There was a cold sensation creeping up my spine as I started to wonder about Captain's Logs...
"In a pig's eye."
..and in the clip, McCoy is not looking directly into the camera, but slightly off to the side, which means he's addressing someone in sickbay, not the TV audience.
"Come on, Spock, let's go mind the store."
Oh, God, no...
They should've had the Phil Collins song Don't Lose My Number in TVH after Kirk told Gillian, "Like they say in your century, I don't even have your telephone number!" Gillian pecks him on the cheek, and the song starts.
The song came out in 1985, so it would've been pretty recent.
The song came out in 1985, so it would've been pretty recent.
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In For All Mankind, TWOK would be impossible. In the remote chance it would happen, it would be unrecognizable and probably nowhere near as good.
The Enterprise would be the Phase II Enterprise. If Ph2 ran from 1977 to 1982 and TWOK came out in 1983, those sets as were would've been laughed at on the Big Screen. Robert Wise gave the sets an extensive makeover for a reason.
Xon would've been in Phase II instead of Spock. Which means "Star Trek without Spock!" goes from unimaginable to something they'd already done for five years. So, no Spock in TWOK, and no Harve Bennett offering to kill off Spock as a hook to get Leonard Nimoy involved. In fact, no Harve Bennett at all. More on that later.
The script for a Star Trek Movie would've been written in-house by Phase II writers, just like the script for the first TNG Movie was written in-house by TNG writers. And they likely would've come up with a very different idea, that they would've rushed through the creative process, just like what happened IRL over a decade later with Generations. The script for TWOK was put together from the best parts of several different scripts written by several different writers.
A first Star Trek movie in For All Mankind would be a cheap-looking rush job put together by TV writers, a TV director, and it would be something that Gene Roddenberry would approve of. Because I think what would've happened on Phase II would've been similar to what happened on TNG. Gene would be heavily involved at first, then less involved as time went on. Only difference is he'd still be alive, wouldn't be in such poor health, and would have more power than "Consultant". He would very much be an Executive Producer. Which means no need to bring in Harve Bennett to replace him. And even if Harve Bennett (who was hired by Paramount in 1980) was brought on as a Co-Executive Producer similar to the way Rick Berman was, he wasn't on the same page as Gene Roddenberry at all on the direction Star Trek should go in, so he wouldn't have lasted long on Phase II in any scenario. Forget about making it to the movies.
So, basically, it's a whole other movie. TWOK isn't TWOK and the TOS Movies go in a very different direction. Assuming they'd get to make any more, since I think this movie would've been crushed by Return of the Jedi.
The Enterprise would be the Phase II Enterprise. If Ph2 ran from 1977 to 1982 and TWOK came out in 1983, those sets as were would've been laughed at on the Big Screen. Robert Wise gave the sets an extensive makeover for a reason.
Xon would've been in Phase II instead of Spock. Which means "Star Trek without Spock!" goes from unimaginable to something they'd already done for five years. So, no Spock in TWOK, and no Harve Bennett offering to kill off Spock as a hook to get Leonard Nimoy involved. In fact, no Harve Bennett at all. More on that later.
The script for a Star Trek Movie would've been written in-house by Phase II writers, just like the script for the first TNG Movie was written in-house by TNG writers. And they likely would've come up with a very different idea, that they would've rushed through the creative process, just like what happened IRL over a decade later with Generations. The script for TWOK was put together from the best parts of several different scripts written by several different writers.
A first Star Trek movie in For All Mankind would be a cheap-looking rush job put together by TV writers, a TV director, and it would be something that Gene Roddenberry would approve of. Because I think what would've happened on Phase II would've been similar to what happened on TNG. Gene would be heavily involved at first, then less involved as time went on. Only difference is he'd still be alive, wouldn't be in such poor health, and would have more power than "Consultant". He would very much be an Executive Producer. Which means no need to bring in Harve Bennett to replace him. And even if Harve Bennett (who was hired by Paramount in 1980) was brought on as a Co-Executive Producer similar to the way Rick Berman was, he wasn't on the same page as Gene Roddenberry at all on the direction Star Trek should go in, so he wouldn't have lasted long on Phase II in any scenario. Forget about making it to the movies.
So, basically, it's a whole other movie. TWOK isn't TWOK and the TOS Movies go in a very different direction. Assuming they'd get to make any more, since I think this movie would've been crushed by Return of the Jedi.
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Maybe Gene left or stepped back from his role and Harve Bennett was his successor, like Berman in TNG. Wasn't Bennett from the TV division of Paramount, anyway?
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