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Will Sam Beckett Return Home? NBC Orders Quantum Leap Reboot Pilot

When the episode began until they located Ben in 1692 I was waiting to find out he was in a TV show or historical reenactment town. The language used in this episode was just full-on contemporary and really did not help to sell the 'time period' at all.

The actual storyline and plot also just seemed completely arbitrary and insignificant. I think this is my least favorite episode of this season, possibly the entire series.

Also. Someone accused of being a witch, gets out of it by yelling at the skies for RAIN and having it rain? Umm... Ok.

Yeah, this was kinda weak. It was a bit of a caricature of the whole witch-trials thing, even to the extent of admitting that witches were hanged in Colonial America but tossing in the cliche of stake-burning despite that, because they needed the rainstorm climax.

Also, if William was sick enough to drop dead in the middle of the courtroom, giving him CPR would not have miraculously cured his disease. It's not like he drowned. The toxins that caused his heart to stop would still be there in his system. So that didn't make much sense.

Another thing that didn't make sense there was Ian saying "William died in the original history, so there's not much you can do." Um, hello, isn't the entire point of Quantum Leaping to change the original history? "Put right what once went wrong?" That line might have worked in a different time travel show, but it's deeply out of place in this one.

And yeah, it's inconsistent that they were terrified of "Elizabeth" for saving a life, yet totally okay with her predicting rain. Although I guess it's excusable since it was fear of the drought that made them so paranoid. Also, Ben was smart to cast it in terms of God's judgment.

The worst part was turning Ian into a believer in seances and astrology. They're supposed to be the scientist of the group. That whole "don't judge what you don't understand" speech in defense of mysticism was inappropriate, because it's the same kind of superstition that drove the persecution. Yes, there's science we don't know yet, but science is about challenging every postulate and not accepting it unless the evidence solidly supports it and rules out the alternatives.

Also, it's disingenuous to do a story about the witch trials but gloss over the profound misogyny that drove them. The accusations of witchcraft were not about fear of drought or disease, they were about fear of women exploring and expressing their own sexuality in ways outside of men's control.
 
so saw the Egypt/Pyramid story today

enjoyed Ben meeting Hannah again
Loved some of the talks they had and sayings they gave. :techman:
her admitting to him she walks up to strangers to ask them if they are Ben :lol:

I expected more from the setting (Egypt/Kairo)
the spy story could have taken place anywhere really.

the Spy lady Nomad was an interesting character.
Didn't recognize Ben's spy boss at first either.

just yuck on Addison being the hologram again, of corse with all the drama baggage in tow on the leap and back home.
And the inevitable "way back home for Ben" from Addisons partner/fiance/husband - if that is ineed his true intentions.
Less Addison would be better for the show
 
The location being actually in Egypt was pretty cool, not sure it was utilized as good as it could have been. In fact I think the episode would have been a perfect two-parter.

I also didn't recognize the spy boss at first and as soon as he started speaking I was like "oh. Lou Diamond Phillips" lol.

BTW, the 'promo' says the show will return in 'early' 2024.
 
I also didn't recognize the station chief at first either. Very nice though. I thought the location was great. I'm enjoying this Hannah arc. I can guess who worked on the "abandoned DARPA project" that might have a way home they teased at the end. Now we have to wait until "early 2024". Sigh.
Wishlist 2024
I'd like to see more Magic in the remaining episodes. This was a concern I had with the Tom character. Aside from causing friction with Ben I was afraid it might sideline Magic. Hoping this is just temporary.
 
IF hannah is still alive in 2023, Project Quantum Leap has her multiple porn tapes. You would think that old Hannah, or her children, are going to show up and incist on privacy and censorship?

Although if she's 90ish in the here and now, this is exactly when a normal person wants a reminder about where everything used to be when it was firm.

The PQL people seem to be immune to changes to the timeline, but what happens to old Hannah if she becomes a PQL person?

I would really like this immunity codified, like when a dickhead senator on the appropriations committee in the original series, just switched out with one one of Sam's old girl friends, in front of Al.
 
I'd like to see more Magic in the remaining episodes. This was a concern I had with the Tom character. Aside from causing friction with Ben I was afraid it might sideline Magic. Hoping this is just temporary.

I'm wondering if Magic's reduced role is to accommodate Ernie Hudson's other work. Anyone know when this was filmed relative to the new Ghostbusters movie? The movie was probably filmed first, but maybe he had to go back for reshoots. Or he could be doing some other movie.
 
Yeah,

And yeah, it's inconsistent that they were terrified of "Elizabeth" for saving a life, yet totally okay with her predicting rain. Although I guess it's excusable since it was fear of the drought that made them so paranoid. Also, Ben was smart to cast it in terms of God's judgment.
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So did you miss my explaination? The end of drought has ELijah's miracle as the main biblical parallel, which was clearly a miracle of God's work...so easy to see people seeing it like that.

ANd regarding "Elizabeth" saving a life... modern CPR looks like kissing, and it's not her husband, so yeah, that would fall under "sinful" territory, based on the culture and knowledge of the time, and NOT make that a miracle, at least not initially (and especially with the initial testimony making it out to be witchcraft rather than a supportive testimony).


With the Egypt episode...

pretty decent.

Like everyone else, I didn't recognize Lou Diamond Phillips..... it wasn't till i saw his name in the credits that looked hard and saw him. That was a great look for him, and helps me see hi as his character instead of him as the actor.

So did Ben sleep with Hannah? I wasn't quite sure if that was implied.... if so, it feels as icky as when a similar thing happened in WW84.... the emotional part, OK.... but physical beyond a hug? Seems like a violation of the host's rights...

Also, the Hannah romance just feels like a course correction because people weren't so enthralled with Addison. And as Ben stated, it's only been like a few weeks for him.... and for HIM to jump into a new romance doesn't feel right either...waaaay too soon (as opposed to Addison, where the time & circumstances seem reasonable for her to move on).

By the way, did Hannah ever step foot in the conference???


And so no preview for next time.... i wonder if they will edit that in once they actually finish filming the season?

i guess it will give me time to catch up on other shows. Um, too soon for season 3 news???
 
It's kind of a shame to see the great chemistry between Ben and Hannah, seeing as she is probably going to be a one-season wonder. This is presumably the portion of Ben and Addison's story where they're both with other people before eventually getting back together. It'd be cool if they decided to avoid that old cliche though.

I wonder if we'll ever see Janis again.
 
River Song has a Diary, so that she can figure out how young her husband is.

In the Time Travellers Wife, the TV Show, which was excellent, they really leaned into the pedo grooming, The Time Traveler gave his wife, when she was 8 years old, a list of hundreds of times that they would meet in the future, where/when they would have to see each other and she might have to be ready to deal with serious shit during that encounter, lo it might be decades away.

If a younger Hannah was given a long list of relevant dates and locations by a much older Ben, she must have been Lying about not knowing that he was there in Cairo, which is kinda cool, but time travel does not work like that in Quantum Leap.
 
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IF hannah is still alive in 2023, Project Quantum Leap has her multiple porn tapes. You would think that old Hannah, or her children, are going to show up and incist on privacy and censorship?

Although if she's 90ish in the here and now, this is exactly when a normal person wants a reminder about where everything used to be when it was firm.

The PQL people seem to be immune to changes to the timeline, but what happens to old Hannah if she becomes a PQL person?

I would really like this immunity codified, like when a dickhead senator on the appropriations committee in the original series, just switched out with one one of Sam's old girl friends, in front of Al.
Yep, this is a Guy Gardener post.
 
Yep, this is a Guy Gardener post.

Addison can observe her old lover, or she can walk on the Moon or check out Io to see how full of it 2010 the Year we made contact was. They can see and record everything in the universe... Unless they have codified Ben or Sam as a tentpole where the observer can only stray a small restrictive distance away from, which I am fairly sure that they haven't.

There was an episode of the Time Tunnel about a spy at tick tock base just ten years in the past. The story got really overlappy, because the spy still worked there in the present, and he was monitoring himself on the big tv they see the past in, so he some how got away with being hounded by the future and kept sending reports home to Russia.
 
River Song has a Diary, so that she can figure out how young her husband is.

In the Time Travellers Wife, the TV Show, which was excellent, they really leaned into the pedo grooming, The Time Traveler gave his wife, when she was 8 years old, a list of hundreds of times that they would meet in the future, where/when they would have to see each other and she might have to be ready to deal with serious shit during that encounter, lo it might be decades away.

If a younger Hannah was given a long list of relevant dates and locations by a much older Ben, she must have been Lying about not knowing that he was there in Cairo, which is kinda cool, but time travel does not work like that in Quantum Leap.

Yea. With the way QL treats time travel it would seem to be impossible for Ben to encounter Hannah with Hannah's past self already having encountered a future version of Ben in the past. Ben has to make those 'changes/encounters' before they're part of the timeline for his 'current' self to encounter.

I do wonder what the plans are for Hannah. Are we going to see her get progressively older and aged up over the course of the rest of the season and Ben visits her on her death-bed like Steve Rogers visiting Peggy in Winter Soldier?

Another interesting tidbit is that the gaps between the encounters are 6 years.
1949 - New Mexico, 1955-Princeton, 1961-Cairo

So will the next encounter be 1967?
 
I do wonder what the plans are for Hannah. Are we going to see her get progressively older and aged up over the course of the rest of the season and Ben visits her on her death-bed like Steve Rogers visiting Peggy in Winter Soldier?

That could be pretty poignant. Although it seems to me that she'd be in her 90s in the present day, so it's conceivable she could still be alive and the folks at the Project might encounter her.
 
Yea. With the way QL treats time travel it would seem to be impossible for Ben to encounter Hannah with Hannah's past self already having encountered a future version of Ben in the past. Ben has to make those 'changes/encounters' before they're part of the timeline for his 'current' self to encounter.

I do wonder what the plans are for Hannah. Are we going to see her get progressively older and aged up over the course of the rest of the season and Ben visits her on her death-bed like Steve Rogers visiting Peggy in Winter Soldier?

Another interesting tidbit is that the gaps between the encounters are 6 years.
1949 - New Mexico, 1955-Princeton, 1961-Cairo

So will the next encounter be 1967?

He can meet younger versions of Hannah than he has met before, but that will wipe out or change her future, even though he will remember only the original timeline and she will only remember the most recent changes, even as changes keep happening.
 
He can meet younger versions of Hannah than he has met before, but that will wipe out or change her future, even though he will remember only the original timeline and she will only remember the most recent changes, even as changes keep happening.

That's true, but then would there be consequences to Ben meeting her in the past that changes her actions in the future (which was Ben's past). Like if he changed her life pre-1961 to where she's not actually at that conference in 1961 then would Ben have actually successfully completed his leap there without her help?
 
That's true, but then would there be consequences to Ben meeting her in the past that changes her actions in the future (which was Ben's past). Like if he changed her life pre-1961 to where she's not actually at that conference in 1961 then would Ben have actually successfully completed his leap there without her help?

Ben's "memories" don't change.

The past and reality change every week, from his muddling about, but he's still the same dude from before he first leapt, no matter what freaking shit he has done to time.

Changing the past does not change Ben.

Everytime they have changed the past, in every episode, Hannah's reality and memories of her reality have changed with the timeline.

So two horrible possibilities.

1. Ben is only in the pasts that he remembers. Everytime he changes time before all the episodes we saw, nothing we saw ever happened.

2. Everytime Ben changes the past, he still leaps into the timezones we saw, but things play out differently, because there are infinite Ben's rallying across time, each connected to their own 2023 unaware of the multiverse... Which means that Hannah is always meeting Ben's who have met different Hannahs' kinda like how Marty McFly kept making out with alt-Jennifer in the revised Biff sucks 1985, even though she was no one he had ever met before, but teenage relationships are superficial, so it hardly matters.
 
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