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Greg Jein collection auction: 300+ TOS scripts

Please, there is a great void without startrekhistory.com and the book (which is fantastic) has been out several years now, so there too is a void! The depth and details you guys get into is fantastic, I love and miss it.
Thanks very much!

I'm sorry that a great website like startrekhistory.com was taken down for business reasons. I have the book too, but that's just sad.
It's complicated, and many factors were involved. One significant one had to to with avoiding significant duplication between our book and the old website.
Contrariwise, I just found something good. The herocomm site is back up after having been taken down for a long time, purportedly due to the threat of a frivolous lawsuit. This engrossing and gorgeous resource was sorely missed:
http://www.herocomm.com/Home.htm
Yes, I missed that site, too.
It's time to call a halt to all of this "okey-doke," as Harlan Ellison would say.

Speak for yourself, and don't presume to speak for others. Many people want copies of all kinds of things to own for themselves, regardless of what is free to look at.

At least you've finally let the cat out of the bag that it was mostly about the money all along.

When this all first started, it was my intention to share ALL of the special material right here on the BBS. That's what the project was about to me....sharing the unseen material with the fans. Making people happy and everyone finding out things that they never knew before.

Here we are, two decades later, and what tiny percentage of the rare material has been shared here gratis? What a waste! How many fans have passed away during that time and been deprived of some happiness? All because you two guys have been sitting on the vast majority of the material and letting it languish unshared because you want to make money on it! It's sad and it's sickening!

And then you have the gall to sit up there with Apollo on Mount Olympus and pass judgment on the guy who published the volumes of These Are The Voyages. It is hypocrisy. You are no better!

Let's call out your other half: @Capt.Mac

The last time I attempted to address these matters, he claimed that I had an axe to grind, yada, yada, yada. Bull. Time to stop deflecting and diverting attention from the facts at hand.

I never gave a damn about any money involved. I would have been just as happy to break even or even lose some money on a book project. My focus and passion was always about the unseen history and sharing it. That's now obviously why Curt replaced me with you; my goals were not in alignment with his. Yours are. Last time, he offered the feeble excuse that he could not reach me. Horse hockey. My email address never changed over the years.

I should have known something was amiss fairly early on. When he and I put together the nine 8 1/2 x 11 prints of restored rare images to send to Bob Justman, he didn't allow me to see them before he sent them out. He had a number of spelling errors in the text that he added to the images, which I could have corrected, because proofreading was one of my areas of experience. But, he was exerting his control over everything right then and I failed to see it because of the smooth-talking approach that he began with here on the BBS.

I invite anyone/everyone to use wayback to see how this all began, back in 2003-2004, here in the TOS forum. I believe the thread title was Rare Images.

The only "axe to grind" that I have involves the fact that fans are gone who could have had considerable joy in their lives from the rare material.

There is simply no excuse for that.

The focus on money reduces it all to holding the material hostage, for ransom.

Do what you will with your own stuff. That is your choice. But don't do it with everyone's.

You see, at the very beginning Curt did not have that little disclaimer that all scanned material was his to do with as he saw fit. That came later, after all of my material was already fully scanned into his system.

And: as far as startrekhistory.com and the books, there was no asking contributors about whether or not they wanted their full names included, for attribution. He just went ahead and used first names and first initial of last names. Don't say you are protecting identities if you never asked folks their wishes.

Everything was lumped in together and no effort was made to keep track of who contributed what. I do remember, on startrekhistory.com, footage from a cut scene of City, in which he thanked some other contributor when it was part of the material that he received from me.

The cut arboretum scene, from Elaan, that was detailed in Star Trek 365 ? The images were from film clips that I contributed and the dialogue came from Bob Justman's personal script that I had acquired. (He had donated it to charity and I had purchased it from those folks....that was a while before our phone conversation, but we did chat about it for a few minutes at that time.)

I call SHAME on these two guys for handling things in the manner that they have for all these years.

Fans have been needlessly missing out on a lot of great material and these two have also been hoarding the credit for what little they have released.

Sorry, guys, but you really could have had a massive, long-running thread here dedicated to all of the rare material. Plenty of books would still have sold. A lot of people want their personal physical copies.

Here is your opportunity to finally step up and make good on this, at least for the fans who are still with us.

How about we start with the photo proofs from The Enemy Within ? I bet a lot of people would get a kick out of seeing the guy with the tape measure in the corridor of the Enterprise. Or how about the costume test with the guy's wristwatch clearly visible? Or how about those shaggy trees? Or....
There are several errors in your post but I'm only going to address one of them (or two of them, depending on how you count) because I don't want people to have the wrong impression. Every picture in Star Trek Lost Scenes and Star Trek The Original Series 365 (that @Capt.Mac and I contributed to Block and Erdmann's book, anyway) came from film clips in my personal collection. Additionally, every script extract referenced in Star Trek Lost Scenes came from scripts in my collection.

I've been collecting Star Trek memorabilia for 50 years -- long before I even knew @Capt.Mac -- and I've been fortunate to amass a substantial quantity of nice TOS items. For example, in round numbers, I have 2-3M film clips, 25 rolls of TOS film, 400 scripts and outlines, 600 publicity photos and advertising items, 100 negatives and transparencies, and 200-300 production memos. I don't like tooting my own horn but I, personally, have enough material for several books or one giant website.
 
Fans interested in The Original Series are not getting any younger. Whatever money you're planning to squeeze out this stuff, will you at least get on with it?
:lol:
I can't change the laws of physics!
But seriously, I'm in complete agreement, but there are a lot of moving parts -- personal ones, logistical one, and legal ones.
 
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I personally will be eagerly awaiting your return (or should I say the return of your research and material).
 
@alchemist

Everything came from your collection? B.S.

It's a very peculiar thing that the Elaan images and dialogue are a match, verbatim, to what Curt and I had sent to Bob Justman long before you came into the picture.

Most of the nine 8 1/2 x 11 clip enlargements that we sent to Bob were full-size to the paper for each image, but the ones for Elaan were several smaller-size images with room left where we added the dialogue from Bob's script.

Bob was amazed that the cut-scene clips had survived and he had not been aware of what had happened to his script after he donated it to charity. He was gratified that I had put the two together.

And the whole thing matches what was in the book.

Now, you have the unmitigated arrogance to cheapen the memory of Bob, by claiming that the script involved was yours and not his?!?

You are quite a piece of work.
 
I personally will be eagerly awaiting your return (or should I say the return of your research and material).

Thanks! Please stay tuned.

@alchemist
It's a very peculiar thing that the Elaan images and dialogue are a match, verbatim, to what Curt and I had sent to Bob Justman long before you came into the picture.

Not really. A typical studio print/mimeo run for each TOS script draft was on the order of 100-125 copies, so there are quite a few originals floating around today. As I mentioned, I have about 400 different scripts and outlines in my collection, including a first draft and a final draft of Elaan of Troyius. And with regards to the film, as you probably know, TOS was shot on 35mm running at 24 frames per second. Since Lincoln Enterprises cut a lot of the dailies and workprints into frames and sold them, that means that there were/are quite a few frames out there from that deleted scene, some of which are essentially indistinguishable from others. I haven't counted how many total frames I have from that deleted scene but it's likely several hundred.

(As a side note, you can see a small snippet of this deleted scene, from uncut footage, on the Roddenberry Vault Blu-ray set.)
 
A fascinating topic, this collection of Greg Jein's. I had no idea he had such a tremendous personal collection, or even that he had passed away last year. These last few years have been a blur in that regard... I didn't even realize about Joanne Linville until recently.

I see that a handful of items are still unsold, and apparently you can still make an offer. There are also several listings that are recorded as sold already, but owner is still responding to offers. I'm not sure what the deal with those. Maybe winning bidders didn't pay up?

Kor
 
Not really. A typical studio print/mimeo run for each TOS script draft was on the order of 100-125 copies, so there are quite a few originals floating around today. As I mentioned, I have about 400 different scripts and outlines in my collection, including a first draft and a final draft of Elaan of Troyius. And with regards to the film, as you probably know, TOS was shot on 35mm running at 24 frames per second. Since Lincoln Enterprises cut a lot of the dailies and workprints into frames and sold them, that means that there were/are quite a few frames out there from that deleted scene, some of which are essentially indistinguishable from others. I haven't counted how many total frames I have from that deleted scene but it's likely several hundred.

(As a side note, you can see a small snippet of this deleted scene, from uncut footage, on the Roddenberry Vault Blu-ray set.)

I knew this would be your excuse.

So, folks, here is the scenario:

The Elaan cut scene was put back together, using film clips that I had, plus dialogue text from Bob Justman's script. Years later, when these two guys suggested the scene for inclusion in Star Trek 365, instead of using what had already been put together, they substituted identical clips and identical dialogue from an identical script, both of which were from alchemist's collection, just so that they could cut me and Bob Justman completely out of the equation and claim the credit exclusively for themselves.

Amazing what ultra-elaborate lengths some people will go to in order to bask in the limelight!

Here's the problem, cupcake: duplicating something that already exists and claiming it as your own work is called FRAUD.

The kicker is that being that everything was identical, you didn't even need to put it all together a second time. All you guys did was simply omit any mention of me and Bob and how it originally came together.

You two are about as slick as coarse-grit sandpaper.

I never cared about credit for myself. That's why my opinion of These Are The Voyages is that the more copies of the material that get out into circulation, the more opportunities that the fans have to finally see the stuff.

But, the fact that you saw fit to exclude all mention of Bob Justman in that, makes you a pair of denebian slime devils in my estimation.
 
A fascinating topic, this collection of Greg Jein's. I had no idea he had such a tremendous personal collection, or even that he had passed away last year. These last few years have been a blur in that regard... I didn't even realize about Joanne Linville until recently.

I see that a handful of items are still unsold, and apparently you can still make an offer. There are also several listings that are recorded as sold already, but owner is still responding to offers. I'm not sure what the deal with those. Maybe winning bidders didn't pay up?

Kor

See this link about their MOTO: https://www.ha.com/c/moto/offers.zx?type=surl-moto

I knew this would be your excuse.

So, folks, here is the scenario:

The Elaan cut scene was put back together, using film clips that I had, plus dialogue text from Bob Justman's script. Years later, when these two guys suggested the scene for inclusion in Star Trek 365, instead of using what had already been put together, they substituted identical clips and identical dialogue from an identical script, both of which were from alchemist's collection, just so that they could cut me and Bob Justman completely out of the equation and claim the credit exclusively for themselves.

Amazing what ultra-elaborate lengths some people will go to in order to bask in the limelight!

Here's the problem, cupcake: duplicating something that already exists and claiming it as your own work is called FRAUD.

The kicker is that being that everything was identical, you didn't even need to put it all together a second time. All you guys did was simply omit any mention of me and Bob and how it originally came together.

You two are about as slick as coarse-grit sandpaper.

I never cared about credit for myself. That's why my opinion of These Are The Voyages is that the more copies of the material that get out into circulation, the more opportunities that the fans have to finally see the stuff.

But, the fact that you saw fit to exclude all mention of Bob Justman in that, makes you a pair of denebian slime devils in my estimation.

There are errors in your post but I see no point now in going through them. LLAP.
 
Besides that, I'm seriously wondering how soon some of the buyers will become sellers. Just because folks missed out this time around doesn't mean items won't pop up again in the future.

Hope springs eternal....
 
I went to Heritage and did see the Galileo, it was in pretty bad condition; you easily see where it was broken up before it was put back together. The cracks were pretty apparent. I was surprised how pronounced the wood grain was on the engines, obviously they just used a wood dowel for them.

 
My greatest fear is the winners breaking up these sets by selling them off in piecemeal eBay listings at outrageous prices.

I hate it when I'm right in instances like this. The exact thing I feared with the collection is happening. A seller has one of the scripts up on eBay now for Bread and Circuses (item #335193622657, not posting the link because I'm not sure what the policy is for directly sharing eBay listings).

In the item description, the seller says who won the lot in the Heritage auction:

*HERITAGE SALE: On Oct, 14, 2023, Mr. Jein's Star Trek Script Collection sold for $200,000 to the TV HALL OF FAME / ARTS Library. The ARTS Library also owns the Desilu Star Trek Script Library. Keep Watching The Skies as The Museum of Mom and Pop Culture makes more Jein and Star Trek are made available from the ARTS Library!

The entire lot is going to be split up to the highest bidder, never to be seen again.
 
At least scan them so there's a copy somewhere for reading and informational purposes, then you can tuck away and split up the actual paper copies all you want, if you own it.
 
In the item description, the seller says who won the lot in the Heritage auction:

*HERITAGE SALE: On Oct, 14, 2023, Mr. Jein's Star Trek Script Collection sold for $200,000 to the TV HALL OF FAME / ARTS Library. The ARTS Library also owns the Desilu Star Trek Script Library. Keep Watching The Skies as The Museum of Mom and Pop Culture makes more Jein and Star Trek are made available from the ARTS Library!

Very interesting discovery. At least we know where the scripts went (for the time being).
I've seen that the auction is by this "Museum Store Gifts" of the "Museum of Mom and Pop Culture" Facebook page, on behalf of the "TV HALL OF FAME" which owns the collection.
Theoretically TV HALL OF FAME collects scipts to make them available to the audience (as long as they don't sell them), but I'm not sure if this is for real or if it's simply a vague plane for the future. On their website they say:

"The TV HALL OF FAME / ARTS Library has material from thousands of series. Carefully curated and built, the collection has strived to fully represent the works of radio and television, even rare, nearly forgotten shows that otherwise would be hard to document today are available for examination. Access to an actual script from a television or radio show allows students of screenwriting and television production to compare what was originally written to the final program, giving them a unique look into the production and the creative process.
Researchers in other disciplines will find the scripts offer a unique view of changes in fields of technology, science and social history."

By the way the script is being sold for 1500$!!!
 
Sorry about being late to the party...
I attended the first day of the auction in person and got to preview the script collection the prior day - about 15 boxes or so. I was disappointed that the price went for 20x what I was willing to pay. I was hoping to add some of the rare stuff to my collection - like Voyage Four or the City on the Edge of Forever autographed by Harlan Ellison
Greg was a completist - he wanted one copy of every episode along with every revision of each scrips and bound them together in black custom covers with a bold "Star Trek" in yellow. I am sure the script that was sold on eBay was a duplicate. Over the years I purchased a number of them from Greg. One of the last one I bought from him a few weeks before he died was "The Cage"
By the way, I uploaded some of the photos of the collection over on the RPF site - I don't recall if it included the scripts.
 
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