Mirror Universe

[USS Excelsior]

So the mirror universe is somehow strangely connected to the regular Star Trek universe where they have mostly evil versions of the good guys, which is virtually impossible since both universes have such different histories and circumstances. But despite that as I said both universes are strangely pegged to each other.

But it's also established in other episodes that there are an infinite number of alternate universes. So I take it all the other universes with the good guys have an endless number of evil mirror universes to match each one.

 

[TigerOfDarkness]

Maybe it is constructed from the sub-conciouses of the people in out universe or somesuch?

 

[Michael]

Rom: "Brother! I just realised something."
Mirror-Ezri: "This should be good."
Rom: "This is supposed to be an alternate universe. But their Captain O'Brien seems as nice as our Chief O'Brien.
Quark: "So?"
Rom: "It doesn't make any sense. It's not alternate."
Quark: "Go back to sleep, Rom."
Rom: "Riiiiiiight. But it's all very confusing."

 

[Michael]

Rom: "These fried tube grubs are deeeelicious!"
Quark: "Better hope he didn't poison them."
Rom: "Maybe in our universe he'd do something like that. But not over here. Over here, everything's alternate. So he's a nice guy ... Which means that tube grubs here should be poisonous because they are not poisonous on our side ... But if Brunt gave us poisonous tube grubs it would mean he wasn't as nice as we think he is. But he has to be nice because our Brunt isn't!"
Quark: "Rom, you're driving me crazy."
Rom: "It's not me, brother. It's this alternate universe. It doesn't make any sense!"

 

[ChristopherPike]

^

Love your avatar, Belar!

Also Starring Rrrrrexxxx Hamilton as Abraham Lincoln....

Quite possibly the easiest acting job anyone has ever had, and he got royalties for all 6 episodes.

 

[Michael]

^ Thank you. I sure already mentioned it in another thread, but I love your avatar, too. Shame we didn't get to see that ...

Yeah, the Rex Hamilton bit was hilarious. Also, the "freeze-frame" end credits!

 

[USS Excelsior]

Another thing is that the regular universe is also pegged to the mirror universe since that coincidentally there are multiple crossovers where they happen to end up in that particular universe.

And if all possible outcomes take place in other universes, then all the other evil decisions and evil outcomes would have to take place in other evil universes, and plus the crossovers that originate from other regular universes would have to end up in other evil universes, since they all couldn't go to the one mirror universe.

 

[Unicron]

I think the MU is just one alternate reality. They do this sort of thing in the comics all the time, with DC at one time having different ages of superheroes on different Earths. And Marvel has Earth-616 as the main setting.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The way I see it is that all the multiple universes are all connected like a chain OR they are like galaxys and the Mirror universe is the closest one to this one (similar to the Andromeda Galaxy being close to the Milky Way Galaxy) and is thus the easiest one and most likely one to jump to and from.

Technically the TOS episode where we saw all the counterparts as evil really doesnt mean anything, thats simply the way that universe unfolded, they were evil because they were part of the Terran Empire but does not necessarily mean the Mirror Universe is infact completely opposite (that was just an assumption based on what was seen in that episode), otherwise Garak would have been nice as pie and Jennifer Sisko would have been a nasty piece of work.

 

[erastus25]

So the mirror universe is somehow strangely connected to the regular Star Trek universe where they have mostly evil versions of the good guys, which is virtually impossible since both universes have such different histories and circumstances. But despite that as I said both universes are strangely pegged to each other.

But it's also established in other episodes that there are an infinite number of alternate universes. So I take it all the other universes with the good guys have an endless number of evil mirror universes to match each one.

I don't think we should necessarily look at the "mirror universe" as an "evil universe" with total diametric oppositions of the "regular characters." Even in Mirror, Mirror, we see that alternate Spock isn't all that bad. Rather I consider it just one of many alternate dimensions in which the Federation had some questionable founding moralities that went on to poison the attitudes of future Starfleet officers. Somehow, this universe is more closely linked in subspace or whatever to our universe than most of the others.

 

[Tyberius]

So the mirror universe is somehow strangely connected to the regular Star Trek universe where they have mostly evil versions of the good guys, which is virtually impossible since both universes have such different histories and circumstances. But despite that as I said both universes are strangely pegged to each other.

But it's also established in other episodes that there are an infinite number of alternate universes. So I take it all the other universes with the good guys have an endless number of evil mirror universes to match each one.

There is a universe created at each conscious decision. The universe itself is fractured at each decision. Consciousness creates universes. I think therefore I am.

Another thing is that the regular universe is also pegged to the mirror universe since that coincidentally there are multiple crossovers where they happen to end up in that particular universe.

Yes. It is easier if you think of the mirror universe as a branch in a tree:

              |
             /*\
      /*\             /*\
   /*\    /*\     /*\     /*\
/*\ /*\ /*\ /*\ /*\ /*\ /*\ /*\

Each row represents a period in time of a decision and each star (and subsequent branch) represents a decision itself.

Through the mirror universe we cannot go to any decision across the tree and we do not seem to go to a universe that is close in decisions to ours. We seem to only go to a branch that contains a single history - we view the "same" mirror universe each time. The history of that mirror universe has not changed. As other posters have postulated, this mirror universe might be more accessible due to certain factors in subspace.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Rom: "Brother! I just realised something."
Mirror-Ezri: "This should be good."
Rom: "This is supposed to be an alternate universe. But their Captain O'Brien seems as nice as our Chief O'Brien.
Quark: "So?"
Rom: "It doesn't make any sense. It's not alternate."
Quark: "Go back to sleep, Rom."
Rom: "Riiiiiiight. But it's all very confusing."

There are at least two Mirror Universes, but Our Heroes get them confused.

One is where everyone is truly opposite: Dukat and Weyoun would be very nice people in that MU.

The other is where any kind of shit can happen, as long as it involves leather lesbians.

 

[USS Excelsior]

There is a universe created at each conscious decision. The universe itself is fractured at each decision. Consciousness creates universes. I think therefore I am.

That would mean that there was only one universe to start off with and it kept splitting and splitting, and each new branch keeps splitting and splitting.

And we would be splitting also, but only stay upon one path, unaware of the other paths we took, since they keep splitting off from us.

 

[Tyberius]

There is a universe created at each conscious decision. The universe itself is fractured at each decision. Consciousness creates universes. I think therefore I am.

That would mean that there was only one universe to start off with and it kept splitting and splitting, and each new branch keeps splitting and splitting.

And we would be splitting also, but only stay upon one path, unaware of the other paths we took, since they keep splitting off from us.

Yup. Interesting stuff. And not just Trek. Check out Hugh Everett and the many worlds interpretation.

 

[USS Excelsior]

So if each individual's thoughts creates a new universe, then somehow someone's single thought drags the rest of the universe along with it, and the same goes for everyone else's individual thoughts.

Which is where things get a bit jumbled up, and a wee bit confusing. In fact this post has probably spawned a few universes of it's own!

 

[Mistral]

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Yup. Interesting stuff. And not just Trek. Check out Hugh Everett and the many worlds interpretation.[/quote] (Tyberius said)

I went to an Eels concert on Valentine's day and E, the lead man and creative force behind the band, opened the show with a 45 minute documentary on his father-Hugh Everett.

(re: The Eels-best known for their music in the Shrek movies, especially #1-the song "My Beloved Monster and Me")

 

[StolenThunder]

^ Crazy sort of father to have. Everett has some fascinating stories to tell.