What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[1001001]

There is a long-standing thread for discussing Bond movies, here:

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/we-have-all-the-time-in-the-world-ohmss-turning-50.301923/

Just saying…

 

[Nerys Myk]

Casino Royale was good because it dumped the corny hokiness of old Bond

So not an accurate adaptation?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Dikironium Vampire Cloud is an interesting question.

The parasites from "OPERATION -- AANIHILATE!" and the Gorn... how are they in any way noncorporeal?

The poster fixed his post, he had meant to say "non-corporeal," originally:

Species 8472, the Tholians, and the Medusans. Those are the best examples of Non-Humanoid Aliens, who are also neither non-corporeal nor artificial. A joined Trill would be the ultimate textbook example of a half-Humanoid.

The flying pancake parasites and the Gorn are very corporeal.

The odd men out of the lineup are the Organians, from me, and, I think, the Medusans from @Lord Garth. Both are non-corporeal. But since he listed the Medusans originally, and had said "corporeal" originally in error (as you can see in my quote of it upthread), I ignored the corporeality criterion, which anyway was besides the point when it came to the issue of being humanoid.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even the Melkotians are corporeal since they have physical bodies. Bodies that levitate and are essentially just a head atop a stubby trunk with dangling, short tentacles and a species with incredibly powerful telepathic capabilities akin to the Talosians', but corporeal nonetheless.

 

[Tallguy]

What are the stats of how often this thread has gone to either Doctor Who or James Bond? Surprisingly little Star Wars.

 

[Lord Garth]

What are the stats of how often this thread has gone to either Doctor Who or James Bond? Surprisingly little Star Wars.

Doctor Who and James Bond are the two other franchises that have been going (with filmed content) since the '60s, making them natural to compare Star Trek to. In a way, you can count each new Doctor or each new Bond actor as starting a new "series".

Trivia:
B&W Classic Doctor Who (1963-1969)
Star Trek TOS (1966-1969)
Color Classic Doctor Who (1970-1989)
Star Trek TNG-ENT (1987-2005)
Modern Doctor Who (2005-Present)
Streaming Star Trek (2017-Present)

If you put Star Trek and Doctor Who together, you have a combined and continuous run since 1963.

 

[Commander Troi]

Wait, I objected to watching Tim Burton's Legend of Sleepy Hollow because it had nothing to do with the book. Am I a gatekeeper?!?

No, just silly.

 

[Shawnster]

If they say "Everything after ____ sucks!", they're a Gatekeeper.

Everything after "The Cage" sucks.

 

[MikHutch]

Everything after "The Cage" sucks.

You're being sarcastic?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Never mind.

 

[Lord Garth]

You're being sarcastic?

Of course he is.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Of course he is.

Nuance is a difficult concept for some.

 

[Ovation]

Everything after "The Cage" sucks.

Technically, only the parts up to the faked distress signal can be considered canonical. After that point, they are subject to the Talosian illusions and, even though they appear to have escaped from Talos at the end, we cannot know for certain it is not the illusion of escape that we see. Since all other Trek occurs afterwards, we cannot be certain the rest is not also part of the illusion.

Therefore, only the pre-faked distress signal portion of The Cage can be considered canonical. Well, that and Enterprise (except the finale, for obvious reasons).

 

[MikHutch]

Of course he is.

I hope so lol. It's sometimes hard to tell these days

 

[F. King Daniel]

What are the stats of how often this thread has gone to either Doctor Who or James Bond? Surprisingly little Star Wars.

I watched the first episode of Ashoka and it's content produced to appease a contract and nothing more.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Technically, only the parts up to the faked distress signal can be considered canonical. After that point, they are subject to the Talosian illusions and, even though they appear to have escaped from Talos at the end, we cannot know for certain it is not the illusion of escape that we see. Since all other Trek occurs afterwards, we cannot be certain the rest is not also part of the illusion.

Therefore, only the pre-faked distress signal portion of The Cage can be considered canonical. Well, that and Enterprise (except the finale, for obvious reasons).

The distress call had already been detected when the episode begins!

From http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/1.htm:

SPOCK: Check the circuit.
TYLER: All operating, sir.
SPOCK: It can't be the screen then. Definitely something out there, Captain, headed this way.
TYLER: It could be these meteorites.
ONE: No, it's something else. There's still something out there.
TYLER: It's coming at the speed of light, collision course. The meteorite beam has not deflected it, Captain.
ONE: Evasive manoeuvres, sir?
PIKE: Steady as we go.
GARISON: It's a radio wave, sir. We're passing through an old-style distress signal.
PIKE: They were keyed to cause interference and attract attention this way.
GARISON: A ship in trouble making a forced landing, sir. That's it. No other message.
TYLER: I have a fix. It comes from the Talos star group.​

There is no spoon.

 

[Tallguy]

If you go by release date, The Cage was not released to the public until 1986. So "everything after The Cage" could be a very clever (!) swipe at TNG and everything else after Star Trek: The Voyage Home. EDIT: Star Trek: The Search For Spock.

I watched the first episode of Ashoka and it's content produced to appease a contract and nothing more.

Yeah, that Dave Filoni doesn't give a crap about Ahsoka or Star Wars. What a money grubber. AND he was the worst James Bond. (Mostly because of the hat, I expect.)

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[Ovation]

The distress call had already been detected when the episode begins!

From http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/1.htm:

SPOCK: Check the circuit.
TYLER: All operating, sir.
SPOCK: It can't be the screen then. Definitely something out there, Captain, headed this way.
TYLER: It could be these meteorites.
ONE: No, it's something else. There's still something out there.
TYLER: It's coming at the speed of light, collision course. The meteorite beam has not deflected it, Captain.
ONE: Evasive manoeuvres, sir?
PIKE: Steady as we go.
GARISON: It's a radio wave, sir. We're passing through an old-style distress signal.
PIKE: They were keyed to cause interference and attract attention this way.
GARISON: A ship in trouble making a forced landing, sir. That's it. No other message.
TYLER: I have a fix. It comes from the Talos star group.​

There is no spoon.

I didn’t say how long the portion before the fake distress call was.

 

[Shawnster]

Nuance is a difficult concept for some.

Online doubly so.

 

[at Quark's]

Controversial opinion: The Federation (and Starfleet) wouldn't have existed if it hadn't been for human horniness.

Supporting evidence:

COCHRANE: You wanna know what my vision is? ...Dollar signs! Money! I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with ...naked women. That's Zefram Cochrane. That's his vision. This other guy you keep talking about. This historical figure. I never met him. I can't imagine I ever will.