The same can be said about Kirk and Mulhall in "RETURN TO TOMORROW" when their consciousness is placed in those orbs while Sargon and Thalassa are using their bodies.
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The same can be said about Kirk and Mulhall in "RETURN TO TOMORROW" when their consciousness is placed in those orbs while Sargon and Thalassa are using their bodies.
Yep. Trek has a history of implying very, very strongly that humans have souls that survive outside the physical body. It's just not brought up very often.
As well as TOS "Return to Tomorrow" where Kirk and Dr. Jones' consciousness were transferred, along with Spock's, into orbs. (doh, ninja'd by Farscape One)
Then there was "Turnabout Intruder" where Kirk and Lester traded consciousnesses.
In all instances the consciousness of the individual human is separated from the physical body
So yes, humans have souls. Maybe not the Abrahamic Earth religion concept in Trek but yep, they have them!
Perhaps even a train of them, as your avatar possibly implies.(:
We Reach.
If either of these were true, let alone both, Barclay would not have been able to pull the others out of the transit corridor. It doesn't matter how certain people successfully depicted it in canon, the fact is it was depicted. And that is what does matter. Canon has its faults, but the fact is, canon is what we must base our opinions on. Our personal philosophies have no effect on it, it simply is.
Arguably, couldn’t you say that in these instances that either a computer/technology or mind-meld is assembling a copy of their neurological pattern, and that copy is what is being transferred from place to place in the instances we’ve seen a person’s “consciousness” being put inside other bodies?
Not a “soul” per se. Think more like the “cookies” in Black Mirror (e.g., the digital copies of the employees in “USS Callister”).
To me, that fits better, since if Spock’s “soul” was put in McCoy before he goes into the chamber in Wrath of Khan, then who or what was talking to Kirk during his death? It makes more sense to think that a Katra is a “mental hard drive image” that’s been copied and the Spock we get back at the end of Search for Spock is not the original, but a copy of the original. I’d say the same thing for Picard at the end of season 1 of Picard.
On the flip side, there are Voyager episodes that imply the existence of a soul beyond consciousness transfer. Whatever that alien was that wanted to consume Janeway’s essence in death and spent an entire episode trying to convince her that he was her father and to accept death, seemed to imply there’s something beyond death and there’s a consciousness that goes somewhere else in death.
Not a “soul” per se. Think more like the “cookies” in Black Mirror (e.g., the digital copies of the employees in “USS Callister”).
To me, that fits better, since if Spock’s “soul” was put in McCoy before he goes into the chamber in Wrath of Khan, then who or what was talking to Kirk during his death? It makes more sense to think that a Katra is a “mental hard drive image” that’s been copied and the Spock we get back at the end of Search for Spock is not the original, but a copy of the original. I’d say the same thing for Picard at the end of season 1 of Picard.
On the flip side, there are Voyager episodes that imply the existence of a soul beyond consciousness transfer. Whatever that alien was that wanted to consume Janeway’s essence in death and spent an entire episode trying to convince her that he was her father and to accept death, seemed to imply there’s something beyond death and there’s a consciousness that goes somewhere else in death.
Hard disagree.
You're overlooking the possibility that while they are in the transporter stream the subject's converted molecules continue to interact with each other in ways that are isomorphic to how they interact normally. Sure, the subject and every one of their atoms is converted into energy and then back again, but it happens in toto (as a whole).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism
I'll cite myself, because I'm not typing it in again:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/sta...ids-errant-arrow.305514/page-15#post-13516966
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-science-fiction-thread.265648/page-867#post-13405620
I figure it goes one extreme or the other. The captain has heard comments all his life and hates star trek with a passion, or he fully embraces it to the point of dressing as kirk at Halloween.God help the first Zumwalt crewman who makes a Trek joke.
Looks like more of the latter, thank goodness. He also retired in June.
Captain James A. Kirk was named for his grandfather, but he has a sense of humor about his Star Trek connection. As the AP notes, he's not above telling reports to "live long and prosper."
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Also, his call sign when working with an aircraft carrier strike group was "Tiberius".
Controversial Opinion:
After VOY finished, they should have followed with an animated comedy show like LDS instead of ENT. Adult animation was flourishing at the time and having audiences become familiar and maybe a little tired with the tropes of Berman Trek would have really worked in the context of a show like LDS.
It could have been massive in college dorm-rooms or whatever and had a few movies by now.
After VOY finished, they should have followed with an animated comedy show like LDS instead of ENT. Adult animation was flourishing at the time and having audiences become familiar and maybe a little tired with the tropes of Berman Trek would have really worked in the context of a show like LDS.
It could have been massive in college dorm-rooms or whatever and had a few movies by now.
I could see Robert Picardo going to town with this....if they opted to use him.
But I've already seen Gremlins 2.
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