Human Name Origins
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Another example of this nick-naming convention is Scott of the Antarctic.
It's not "He was born there," it's more like Moe of the Three Stooges, or "Hansel, of Gretel and fame." It's his story at Alpha Centauri they're referring to.
It's not "He was born there," it's more like Moe of the Three Stooges, or "Hansel, of Gretel and fame." It's his story at Alpha Centauri they're referring to.
He becomes more famous for his later allegiances/associations than his former.
"Alpha Centauri" may be a metonym for the pioneer expeditions that began with travel to the planet. Like calling a California gold rush participant a 49er even if he arrived in a later year. So saying he's "of Alpha Centauri" is like saying he was a famous pioneer of that era, indeed the one who made it possible.
"Alpha Centauri" may be a metonym for the pioneer expeditions that began with travel to the planet. Like calling a California gold rush participant a 49er even if he arrived in a later year. So saying he's "of Alpha Centauri" is like saying he was a famous pioneer of that era, indeed the one who made it possible.
Seems simpler to assume he was called that because he lived on Alpha Centauri after founding the colony. Despite James Cromwell's age, the dates given in "Metamorphosis" and FC require Cochrane to have been in his early 30s when he made the warp breakthrough, and he disappeared at age 87. So depending on when the colony was founded, he could've spent the majority of his life there (although ENT establishing Terra Nova as the first extrasolar colony founded in 2078 complicates that). Even if he didn't, being one of the first settlers on Alpha Centauri would certainly earn him the moniker.
My whole point was that it was non-canonical sources that presented that. I admit I have a bad habit of leaving out parts, but I'm sick and tired of the "you posted, therefore you are wrong" mentality and response I regularly get, so I don't go on long diatribes. I wouldn't have cited the Spaceflight Chronology if I had meant a line of dialog in an episode.
That is not what you said:
"Originally presented" sounds like you meant to say that was the intent of "Metamorphosis," which is misleading.
That doesn't matter. This is a public forum read by many people, and it's important that they not be presented with misleading information. If an inaccuracy is corrected, it shouldn't be taken as a criticism directed at the poster, merely as an attempt to ensure accuracy on behalf of the audience.
This is what I said:
This is the only correction I needed, from the very next post:
This is the part you still refuse to address:
Okay, so what about Karidian? A nod to "Carradine"?
My search turns up a character named Karidian in the 1947 film Intrigue (which has Michael Ansara in a small role). It might be a variant of the Greek surname Karajan.
To my surprise, I also found a couple of people surnamed Kodos.
Perhaps “Karidian” is an Arcturian name? Kirk comments on the novelty of an “Arcturian Macbeth” Is he referring to the setting, the costuming or Karidian himself?
Yes, I know the the Arcturians are among the many aliens designed for TMP and they have a non-human appearance (melty face). But I do wonder what the author of COTK had in mind.
Yes, I know the the Arcturians are among the many aliens designed for TMP and they have a non-human appearance (melty face). But I do wonder what the author of COTK had in mind.
James Blish's version of the line, which might be from an early script draft or his own embellishment, is "I've seen Macbeth in everything from bearskins to uniforms, but never before in Arcturian dress. I suppose an actor has to adapt to all kinds of audiences." In Blish's version, the opening scenes took place on a planet in the Arcturian system, rather than "Planet Q" (unless Planet Q orbited Arcturus).
The Star Trek Concordance, which based a lot of its content on scripts and other behind-the-scenes documents, says in its lexicon entry for "Arcturian": "The Karidian Players stage Macbeth in the style of this culture, with angular weapons and armor and Arcturian effects." So both confirm that Kirk was referring to the costuming and designs.
The name could be Armenian. There is a trope that goes back decades, and of which I have personal experience*, that a plurality of Armenians' surnames "rhyme" with 'Armenian', in that they are four syllables and end in -ian.
*Two people I have known had names that followed this system, and yep, both of them were Armenian.
The Kardashians are Armenian. But they also have many fine people, I'm sure.
Consonantal shift? It's the one thing I like even more in the morning with coffee. Or when peoplewatching late at night as they go slurring along with the booze...
'Zefram' could be as Greek as it could be Biblical, but neither have 1:1s.
Zephyr - Zephyrius - Zefiro - Zefram?
Zephaniah is the biggest biblical one, but there's also Zephon, צְפֹן?, north?
I prefer the greek myself, because Zephyr is related to/of the west wind, but in any case the 'Zep/Zef' is most likely grounded in something, the 'ram' is not, other than maybe mid-century futuristic sounding lingo.
Zephyr - Zephyrius - Zefiro - Zefram?
Zephaniah is the biggest biblical one, but there's also Zephon, צְפֹן?, north?
I prefer the greek myself, because Zephyr is related to/of the west wind, but in any case the 'Zep/Zef' is most likely grounded in something, the 'ram' is not, other than maybe mid-century futuristic sounding lingo.
There are plenty of people named Efram/Efrem/Ephram, like Efrem Zimbalist Sr. and Jr. Nothing "futuristic" about it.
Conan O'Brien's assistant Sona Movsesian is of Armenian heritage and her surname follows that pattern.
I first heard the trope in the film "Author, Author", with Al Pacino. He tells Dyan Cannon that his name (character-wise) is Armenian, and his next line is to explain the trope.
Many people change their names or give their children unique names to stand out from the crowd. (Some combine names of parents)
I'm reminded of Eadweard Muybridge, whose name change I actually heard about on an episode of Death Valley Days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eadweard_Muybridge
I'm reminded of Eadweard Muybridge, whose name change I actually heard about on an episode of Death Valley Days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eadweard_Muybridge
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