News Foundation Adaptation Series Officially Ordered by Apple

[Guy Gardener]

Dawn and Dusk's only way of testing their theory that they are being manipulated is to grow their own clone and then raise it in secret.

Although they could back up their own memories without telling any one at an alternate source for a few decades, then upon Dusk's natural death, they roll out the clone who knows all.

Or they fake their own deaths, and then watch the life of their replacement, and notice the how their successors don't remember a lick of anything.

Are robot sex organs in a more convenient place, or shaped better?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Demerzel obviously hasn't been expanding Day's repertoire beyond the basic and she can't do anything but fake it.

 

[David cgc]

I feel like that has to be intentional on her part, though one wonders why, exactly, that would be an element of her master plan. Also, it’s a little amazing that she’d even have to; you’d think only ever interacting with courtesans and concubines would make the Cleons lousy at building romantic and personal connections, but I guess that, as a robot, she can control her expressions and reactions so precisely that anything he said or did always “worked,” while there’d always be at least a theoretical possibility that any of the Cleons’ human partners would, at the very least, not have instant, sparking chemistry and require a little give-and-take, no matter how well-motivated they were to make Empire happy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Demerzel obviously hasn't been expanding Day's repertoire beyond the basic and she can't do anything but fake it.

I was thinking that she guided in the royal peepee with landing lights, and kept a grip on it, so it didn't fall out.

I feel like that has to be intentional on her part, though one wonders why, exactly, that would be an element of her master plan. Also, it’s a little amazing that she’d even have to; you’d think only ever interacting with courtesans and concubines would make the Cleons lousy at building romantic and personal connections, but I guess that, as a robot, she can control her expressions and reactions so precisely that anything he said or did always “worked,” while there’d always be at least a theoretical possibility that any of the Cleons’ human partners would, at the very least, not have instant, sparking chemistry and require a little give-and-take, no matter how well-motivated they were to make Empire happy.

Demerzyl might be exclusive to Day, because he's emotionally falling apart and needs the support? Unless she's breaking him down to accelerate the fall of the Galactic Empire?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

If the Eternals are controlling everything, it's less psychohistory and more pseudohistory.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If the Eternals are controlling everything, it's less psychohistory and more pseudohistory.

Eternity is a loop.

Demerzel is a slave to that loop so long as she is inside it, but she can out live it, get outside, and invent time travel, then go back and break the loop.

We can't even be sure if Demerzel is already a Time Traveler.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Demerzel's consciousness might not even reside inside the physical form that we see - hence her ability to survive what looked like a catastrophic injury. She did drop a comment to that effect.

 

[FPAlpha]

I honestly have lost the plot with this show, i don't know why things happen and how.

This episode has so few things i actually understood - we get a flashback to Seldon's tragic backstory, we now know that Gal has been offered leadership of the X-Men.. i mean Mentalics and that Cleon plans to end the genetic dynasty and return to the traditional way of continuing a government ( and did Serra just promise to establish democracy??).

Everything else is just a huge questionmark for me.

 

[Skipper]

I honestly have lost the plot with this show, i don't know why things happen and how.

This episode has so few things i actually understood - we get a flashback to Seldon's tragic backstory, we now know that Gal has been offered leadership of the X-Men.. i mean Mentalics and that Cleon plans to end the genetic dynasty and return to the traditional way of continuing a government ( and did Serra just promise to establish democracy??).

Everything else is just a huge questionmark for me.

You are not the only one. I doubt we'll see a fourth season.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I thought it was intriguing enough in the way that it seems to be setting things up for the rest of the season, but I can see why people might get confused with so many threads going on.

 

[wayoung]

My guess is this is what the 2nd Foundation will come from, with some of these people going to Trantor. Maybe the Mule is the current leaders kid or something.

 

[David cgc]

I thought this was the best episode yet. Finding out Seldon's backstory (and the question of how, shall we say, motivated he would've been to find a plan to ameliorate the dark ages that didn't involve the fall of Empire), some pretty suspicious stuff with the leader of the Mentats (beyond just her hatred of mundanes; isn't a little odd that she showed up to save all of them right in the exact nick of time? Really sucks for that kid, especially, if she'd hustled and gotten there twenty seconds earlier, he'd still have parents), the promise of digging into the deal with the Spacers, Poly and Consant's first time in the big city, Day is getting married and no one is happy about it, not even him. Dr. Seldon being an intentionally flawed copy of Hari. A lot to chew on.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

If that large moon of Helicon were really connected by atmosphere, it would be within the Roche limit and torn to pieces, not to mention causing majorly disruptive Heliconquakes. I rejigged those scenes mentally as the moonshrikes just being attracted in the general direction of the moon during their migration. However, such things really don't bother me as long as I'm not bored and I wasn't bored.

 

[wayoung]

I thought this was the best episode yet. Finding out Seldon's backstory (and the question of how, shall we say, motivated he would've been to find a plan to ameliorate the dark ages that didn't involve the fall of Empire), some pretty suspicious stuff with the leader of the Mentats (beyond just her hatred of mundanes; isn't a little odd that she showed up to save all of them right in the exact nick of time? Really sucks for that kid, especially, if she'd hustled and gotten there twenty seconds earlier, he'd still have parents), the promise of digging into the deal with the Spacers, Poly and Consant's first time in the big city, Day is getting married and no one is happy about it, not even him. Dr. Seldon being an intentionally flawed copy of Hari. A lot to chew on.

Mentalics. Mentats are something else
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/dune-part-2-2023-24-25-26.308931/

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Tellem Bond's mind control stuff was very well done. She has much the same powers as the Mule from Foundation and Empire, albeit without added visisonar.

 

[David cgc]

If that large moon of Helicon were really connected by atmosphere, it would be within the Roche limit and torn to pieces, not to mention causing majorly disruptive Heliconquakes. I rejigged those scenes mentally as the moonshrikes just being attracted in the general direction of the moon during their migration. However, such things really don't bother me as long as I'm not bored and I wasn't bored.

I'm really curious about this, because on the podcast after-show Goyer mentioned that the show's science advisor did figure out a way that it could kind of work. It was second-hand and Goyer wasn't trying that hard to explain the theory in detail, but apparently it involved the planet and the moon being more or less dense than you'd expect, and also the gravity of the nearby black hole throwing things off.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I'm really curious about this, because on the podcast after-show Goyer mentioned that the show's science advisor did figure out a way that it could kind of work. It was second-hand and Goyer wasn't trying that hard to explain the theory in detail, but apparently it involved the planet and the moon being more or less dense than you'd expect, and also the gravity of the nearby black hole throwing things off.

They did imply there is less gravity on Helicon.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Colour me skeptical, but even if the moon retained its integrity, the tidal interaction and atmospheric drag effects would soon cause it to deorbit and collide with Helicon. However, it was intended to look kind of cool, so I'm not bothered. One could simulate this in Universe Sandbox perhaps but I'm not going to bother. Foundation is more science fantasy than a science fiction entertainment as it stands anyway, like Star Wars. It would be ridiculous to nitpick painstakingly the depiction of orbital mechanics in a show that has a group of people with Jedi-like powers.

 

[EmoBorg]

Tellem Bond did not realize that this Hari Seldon is an android. She could not read his mind In the previous episode. That should have been a clue for her or maybe androids are long forgotten by most already.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

It does seem possible that how he will come to realise that he is not a clone like the Cleons will come about as a result of how he escapes his current predicament. His consciousness would be running on a positronic brain rather than a flesh and blood one.