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Space 1999!!!

I liked season one, granted I haven't seen it in some time but I liked the sense of cosmic weirdness, things beyond our understanding and that maybe the moon and its crew were on a journey guided by a higher power. Elements also part of its spiritual successor Stargate SG-U. Asimov is concerned over the Black Sun being a Black Hole but the whole episode is a spiritual journey, it seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

I get it's not for everyone and some prefer the Fred Freiberger Season Two but for me the first season is so much more interesting even if it's flawed or pretentious (or slow).
 
Or Arthur C. Clarke, for that matter. But TV shows were generally paced a lot more slowly in the 1960s and '70s than they are now.

I know that the original pilot for 'The Prisoner' ran close to ninety minutes before Patrick McGoohan edited down to sixty. He used a lot of quick cuts to accomplish this. I've read a couple of contemporary reviews where the commentators/writers describe it as a kind of 'MTV Style' editing. A lot of 'The Prisoner' episodes use quick edits. A viewer has to pay close attention to what is going on onscreen or you could get lost trying to follow the story
 
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I've been only able to find one person on YouTube who reacted to both seasons of 'Space: 1999'.
Unfortunately, her reactions are as exciting as watching paint dry. She makes first season Barbara Bain look positively animated.
 
I've been only able to find one person on YouTube who reacted to both seasons of 'Space: 1999'.
Unfortunately, her reactions are as exciting as watching paint dry. She makes first season Barbara Bain look positively animated.
Well, I suppose it's a little difficult to have a vivid reaction to the show...
 
I liked season one, granted I haven't seen it in some time but I liked the sense of cosmic weirdness, things beyond our understanding and that maybe the moon and its crew were on a journey guided by a higher power. Elements also part of its spiritual successor Stargate SG-U. Asimov is concerned over the Black Sun being a Black Hole but the whole episode is a spiritual journey, it seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

I get it's not for everyone and some prefer the Fred Freiberger Season Two but for me the first season is so much more interesting even if it's flawed or pretentious (or slow).

Season 2 - which grew on me faster than moss on a log in a bog during some fog while flipping a pog being fetched by a dog, on cue like a machine cog - was hit or miss, and with potential that should have been realized better at times (no wonder Martin Landau skipped out on some episodes), but I do think it's underrated.

Shh, don't tell anyone, but "Brian the Brain" grew on me and it's one of my favorites. Bernard Cribbins plays the computer voice slightly camp, but not beyond a level of gravitas that's needed in order to make the story genuinely work. The 70s had a penchant for creating AI characters with some personality, and this one as a "psychotic" is rather entertaining, with ORAC, Zen, and Slave from Blake's 7 being in the same boat. I love them all, but I digress. Cribbins was something of a legend, and to elevate something like this is indeed impressive, and the episode wasn't terrible to begin with. It had a couple great moments of suspense as well, even with some of the corniest shlock.

"The AB Chrysalis" is a truly underrated gem. It has largely the same feel as any given season 1 episode, and is genuinely compelling. They don't make silly jokes about the nudity either. Very mature presentation on top of everything else. Also, Sarah Douglas is great as "B". You know, she's Ursa from "Superman II" and Pamela from "V".

"The Beta Cloud" is another one I really like despite its problems, though beyond the excitement of the unstoppable monster (with dumb revelation that it's a robot, much less how the cloud could develop such a thing or transport it or why it wants their life support power source (to keep the power for robots going?). Too many out-of-the-blue issues and relying more on spectacle for spectacle's sake, with too many questions that make headcanon a full time job in of itself, that's where season 2 falls flat. On the plus side, such drivel came about long before the 21st century.)

While S1999 took some cues from Star Trek TOS (Sci-fi generally goes between revolutionary and evolutionary and sometimes repetitive, but I digress), "The Exiles" is a mixed bag rehash of "Space Seed". Only the aliens have psi powers, are adorned in ridiculous amounts of too-70s-trendy yellow/orange that are on par with how Doctor Who's "The Ice Warriors" had the trendy hip mid-60s groovy costumes for the base staff (but I digress), but the horror aspect is perfectly on point - even more so when they get clever and not show what's happening to Helena, but allow a chilling scream, the viewer's imagination to do the work of guessing just what the hell is happening, and some first rate acting by the villain to genuinely sell it. Would this be sustainable if every alien species had psi power? Absolutely not. But this one sells it.

"All That Glisters" eventually goes overboard with the silicon life forms, but noting when it was filmed, it probably gave ideas to the makers of Doctor Who and Blake's 7, which used silicon life forms in different (and better, more constrained) ways. The guest actor of the week is one big walking cringing stereotype as well... Martin Landau apparently hated this one. The horror concept is strong enough, but the execution could have been a little better.

And then there's Maya. Great idea, great acting by Catherine Schell, but there's too much inconsistency between episodes. Ignore some of the continuity and there are still great moments if you can buy into and empathize for the character (e.g. when she's captures while in the form of a rat, placed in a small cage, and the moment she reverts as she can sustain that form for a limited time period, she gets crushed to death.)

For all the misfires and successes, there would be no season two had a new producer not been procured. The studio liked Fred Freiberger's ideas and while some were dumb, others definitely weren't. But I think TOS season 3 is underrated as well, with most of its failings due to budget cuts and more turnover than in a pastry factory, including the writing department - which arguably explains a number of issues as well...
 
I've been only able to find one person on YouTube who reacted to both seasons of 'Space: 1999'.
Unfortunately, her reactions are as exciting as watching paint dry. She makes first season Barbara Bain look positively animated.

Once in a while, she had some good insights but... yeah, other channels doing reactions are far more engaging when it comes to actual reactions (a plateau of shock, a mountain joy, a river of tears, etc etc), especially when most of these older shows don't or can't offer whiz-bang hyperactive visuals and f/x every 3 seconds, whether it's due to compensation or any other possible factor. I also wonder if the "not as fun as watching paint dry" persona is there because she's only half-interested in the show and is hoping enough older people subscribe to cash in on - which may or may not be the case, but there is an obvious niche that I've noticed is starting to get more content creators putting out stuff, but they do it better IMHO.

But she does have something interesting to say at times, and if she's really trying to get younger generations into such an old show -- that's great. It's not too different compared to kids and teens in the mid-80s with color and stereo shows trying to get into b&w stuff in mono, and often with poor quality prints as remastering as nothing of the sort back then. Then again as a kid, I couldn't get into the old 1940s Buck Rogers - not to mention, my liking of the 1979 reboot* went down by 1990 anyhow as it's superficial camp (even the original film feature had more depth, but the tv show quickly ditched that - at least for season 1. Yep, season 2 - warts and all - I still find preferable and seems easier to watch. But I go digressing round and round again; season 1 I can stomach every few years or so - though I'll skip 75% of season one, so I don't entirely hate it either. )

* yes kids, it's happened before. Not quite as often, but it's a refreshing reminder... and reboots, like or dislike, still can bring in something refreshing while riding on the back of an old name.

Well, I suppose it's a little difficult to have a vivid reaction to the show...

That doesn't mean the episodes won't have a moment of intended excitement, though there were a number of misfires that often happened for no plausible (or any) reason other than to try to be engaging, while missing the actual point.

The show - especially season 1 - is more philosophical and intellectual (partly to compensate for the show's impossible premise, it's quite an impressive juxtaposition, but I digressarooney), something season 2 tries to eschew (but not always ideally so), and it's hard to get all whiz-bang excited with all that brain chemical flow over something that's all ploddy and talky and not-explody stuff. Not in the same way, anyway...
 
Space 1999 vs Star Trek, by Isaac Asimov (Cue, December 20, 1975)



Just the other day I watched another episode of Space: 1999, television's new, and visually excellent, science fiction show. In this episode, Alpha (the name given to the base on the Earth's moon after the moon had been blasted away from the Earth by a miracle of scientific illiteracy) passed through a black hole.

The charming aspects of 1970s sci-fi can never be understated. Of all of them, B7 arguably got the black hole concept done right - but I'm in no hurry to visit an actual one to confirm which franchise really got it right (if any), LOL.

It took the experienced astronauts of Alpha a long time to recognise the object as a black hole, though any 1975 viewer with a smattering of contemporary astronomy would have seen it for what it was at once. Then, when the great scientist and his great computer finally worked out the problem, the object was called a "black sun".

:D

I sometimes wonder if the crew are just creating terms in their own universe's vernacular (slang). But would that be intentional on their part...

The point is that the accepted astronomical term is "black hole". The expression "hole" describes its most dramatic property, that what falls in can't come out again. The use of "sun" in this connection is completely misleading. Nor was the misnomer required by the plot in any way. The only conclusion is that the makers of Space: 1999 are chemically free of all traces of scientific knowledge.

S1999, to me, was never the scientific plausibility - the philosophical bent usually made up for it, but not always... Though some episodes do overlook the bonkers aspects and cite scientific concepts that actually do hold up.

Here is another example. Alpha is somewhere in the vastness of interstellar space, presumably far from any star. Its surface should therefore be totally dark except where it is illuminated by artificial lighting. Nevertheless, when seen from space it is always clearly visible. Very well, that's a dramatic necessity. Showing a black TV screen in the interests of accuracy won't go over.

Dramatic effect. It's why all sci-fi had space ships making noises when firing weapons - I'll pretend the sounds are generated by the ship's mechanisms and we're hearing from "within", despite the f/x showing the craft exterior firing.

However, Alpha is often given the appearance of a semi-circle or a crescent. No one responsible for Space: 1999 seems to be aware that the moon shows phases only because it reflects the light of a luminous body. They seem to think that the Moon (in its new state as Alpha) is intrinsically light and dark.

LOL, that is very true.

This episode, whose initials seem to describe it accurately in the science department, is not one of the best. "War Games" is a great palette-cleanser, however.... :D

Such ignorance would never be permitted in any field outside science. Any program which referred to the British Queen as Isabella would hear it at once from a billion ignorant citizens- yet a royal name is trivial, and scientific knowledge is the key to the salvation or destruction of the world. Are we to fill the minds of the audience with garbage because the producers of a television show are too haughty to hire a science consultant or too foolish to listen to him once hired?

Good points.

The show did take place int he future so maybe the successor would be named Isabella... but, otherwise, if the science is so crackpot then it really needs more of other to compensate. S1999 is off-putting at times because of these excessive lapses.

This was not the case with Star Trek. That program had Gene Roddenberry, who is scientifically literate himself, and who insisted on the same for the writing of the show. Science might be bent for the sake of advancing the plot, but never just because someone didn't have a sixth grade education, or didn't care.

Even TNG screwed up, with "perigee" (because the makers thought it sounded more dramatic than the technical term), and the less said about the idiocy in "Disaster" the better. Don't hold your breath that I'll start digressing... maybe later. :guffaw:

Nor is it science only. It never is. A program that purports to be science fiction, and either scorns science or fails to understand it, can scarcely be intelligent in other directions.

Possibly.

But I've sat through some pretty dumb Trek, Doctor Who, and the rest, and sometimes they get it right - or right enough.

The plots and characterisation on Space: 1999 have been primitive. All the events that take place are science fiction clichés. By the time the commander has frowned, and the scientist has raised his eyebrows, and the medical officer has flared her nostrils, they are all spent forces. They may be good actors, but no one has any lines of consequence to say, any deeds of interest to do. They are not characters, but stuffed scarecrows.

Cliches, agreed. Especially as sci-fi, even until the 2000s, had "future humans" all being stoic and near-emotionless. Even "Logan's Run" was not immune, and their society (esp. in the movie) showed people, in an alleged utopia, just being utterly lazy f***ers (figuratively and literally). Nowadays they're just like anyone from the street. Even winos. Not sure which trope is worse... probably the latter since the stoic nature suggests evolution, not unlike when comparing humans of 1100 (AD or BC) to 1975. Or 2023. And Logan's TV series is far tropier and more cliche at times, with moments of glory right when you'd not expect it either.

Again the situation is enormously different in the case of Star Trek where great effort was put into building believable characters who interacted with events and with each other in characteristic fashions. We could expect Captain Kirk to make hard decisions and to temper forcefulness with humour. We were always ready for First Officer Spock's cool calm, his rationality and his sense of ethics. We could count on Dr McCoy's dedication, emotionality and short temper. Every other regular had quirks that grew familiar.

Agreed. TOS was revolutionary. S1999 seemed more evolutionary, if not stagnant.

Most of all there was a consistent streak of humour in Star Trek and an obvious affection of the characters for each other. Neither humour, affection, nor any other human characteristic has so far been visible on Space: 1999.

S1999's people were all proto-Vulcan, as much as they recognized from TOS and moved with it...?

The Star Trek cult is based, in my opinion, on four things:

  1. Young people of intelligence who are concerned with our world and with their own lives are naturally interested in science fiction, since this is the only form of fiction that deals wit the future and with change- and it is in a changed future that the youngsters will mature.
  2. There was enough respect for science in the program to give it the support of the more sophisticated portion of the science fiction audience- who are the opinion-makers.
  3. Many Star Trek episodes dealt with ethical problems that were resolved in humane fashion. Even a "monster" was viewed sympathetically when she turned out to be a mother protecting her child.
  4. There were interesting, idiosyncratic and sympathetic characters about whom one's feelings could crystallise.
In no order, since I fixed my random number generator:

2. That would be the point of science fiction, rather than fantasy, that's for sure - but that's also the crux: S1999 clearly is categorized as fantasy, yet with its own set of internal rules that it amazingly doesn't break (esp. in the first season). I wouldn't say "sci-fantasy", unless the science is little more than pointing at a box with a graphic on it and say "radioactive", followed by pointing up to the sky at dusk and drooling "It's durh moon". Science invented those terms more than fantasy, but fantasy used them in ways other than what science would limit it to.

3. S1999 sometimes went that route. Other times not. TOS was revolutionary, but even Twilight Zone (a show TOS got inspiration from) did do that "other POV" routine as well. The one with Donna Douglas never gets enough credit, or the other one where two invaders from other worlds using human form bicker in a malt shop or wherever it was.

4. Sci-fi isn't always about the feelings. It's why Classic Doctor Who's companion departures and other special events carry more weight and hold up longer than modern Who wringing the serotonin, Norepinephrine, and/or dopamine emitters time and time and time again. Ironic, isn't it? :devil: (Ditto for production methods; the occasional rapid camera angle change can do much. Do it constantly and, at best, all intent becomes just as flat. I'd also argue that its use for useless things like documentaries or instructional videos becomes distracting and counterintuitive if not counterproductive. But a lot of people might.)

1. why only young people? Don't old people exist in our world? Then again, often but not always, some old people say the young don't give a crap... of course, some young people say the same about the old. If they're both right, the underlying reasons are definitely not the same. Despite having one thing in common, which is as amusing as it is ironic.

If Space: 1999 aspires to the development of a similar cult, it has the first requirement, for it is not only science fiction but a program that gives great care to its purely special effects. In all other respects, however, in scientific background, in plot, and in characterisation, it falls abysmally short.

Definitely. Sci-fi coasting on glossy effects is not a new endeavor, and even before Star Wars (which is a bucket full of naff right along with S1999 as well. Both are more similar than not...)

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1999 was the first sci-fi show I ever watched, so I have a definite soft spot for it. Fanaticism actually. In a way you could say I'm more Alphan than Trekkie, but whatever. Star Wars came in so quickly it eclipsed ALMOST everything that came before to the point of obscuring it out of the public mind. I'm on a third rewatch on Peacock atm, although my first serious attempt at season 2 since it first aired. Up to Seed of Destruction. I'm finding season 2 as much of a wade through as seven year old me did. I'm finally getting what bothers me about it. It's the score. I can get past the uniform and set changes. I can get past the loss of cast members that I really liked. The change from nice orchestrations and incidentals to 70's action groove kind of ruins the pacing upgrades and new cast members that I also really like. It kind of takes the aged cheddar that is season one and turns it into cheez-whiz, and that makes me not care for it as much. I'm actually enjoying the stories for what they are though. I remember having the first novelizations of each season and enjoying them immensely. I may try to find and reread them at some point and see if that makes a difference in my head. Rereading the Charlton magazines and attempting the Eagle and Hawk models (again) has turned into a total nostalgia fest for me, and I'm happy to see that there are others that like enough of it to still be having discussions on the subject. Anyway, thanks for hearing me out.
 
S1999, to me, was never the scientific plausibility - the philosophical bent usually made up for it, but not always... Though some episodes do overlook the bonkers aspects and cite scientific concepts that actually do hold up.
This is from the Anderson themselves:

Regarding scientific accuracy and a critical review of Space: 1999 by Isaac Asimov, Gerry Anderson commented: ‘I think that a show that is absolutely scientifically correct can be as dull as ditch-water. But I think the point he was making was that, if you are going deep into the universe, then you can say whatever you like and that’s fine; but if you’re dealing with subjects that we have up-to-date knowledge on, like the Moon, then you ought to be correct. I think that was a reasonable criticism. But I think the problem with scientific advisors is that if you had a scientific advisor in 1820 he would have told you that it was impossible to fly and to travel beyond the speed of sound. And today they’re telling us that it’s impossible to travel beyond the speed of light. I think, therefore, they are inhibiting to a production, and since the heading is science fiction – underline the word fiction – I don’t really think there’s any place for them.’

(By the way, I don't think that a scientific advisor in 1820 would have said that it is impossible to surpass the speed of sound.)

I know that Jules Verne is considered in the U.S. a writer for kids because butchered translations and Disney movies, but he managed to write good and entertainment stories while trying to be consistent with the scientific knowledge of his time. So, I don't think that to be scientifically sound prevents one from writing good stories.
 
Space:1999 gets a lot of shade. A lot. Always had, from day one, particularly from Star Trek fans. The rivalry and resentment was so thick in the 70's, every damned SF show had to be Star Trek. Until Star Wars became the gold standard.

I love it. I always have, both years equally. Jeez, I have the blu ray releases from Network, Shout Factory and ViaVision. I also have the movie compilations on blu. This show is just so much fun and a real trip. The leads are great, although Bain cried poorly. The music by Barry Gray and Derek Wadsworth are some of my favorite TV scores ever.

I have zero issues with poor science, monsters, action, mystery and incomprehensible plots. This series hit me at exactly the right time in my life. Star Trek was my first love, but it opened me up to any SF show that came along until the 90's. If you look at my home video library, you'll find some of the most derided SF shows in history, but I love them all. The Irwin Allen shows, classic BSG, Buck Rogers, SeaQuest, the V weekly, The Immortal, Logan's Run, Planet of the Apes, and so on. Also some of the most beloved, such as The Outer Limits, The Twilight Zone and more.

I don't default to sophistication in my TV viewing, I look for escape and fun. Space:1999 provided that in truckloads. And the moive compilations push every Nostalgia Button I have because that was the only way for me to watch the show in the early 80's.

Year two is such a great time. The jazz fusion music, fast pace and theatrical performances made 51 minutes shoot by. Landau and Bain did miss a couple of episodes, but mostly because they doubled up on filming to save production time. And one episode, the couple was on holiday. Laudau still did even what he consdered the worst episodes.

Great fun and a my third favorite TV show ever.
 
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one a recent youtube video (and it's come up in a couple of other places), Adam Savage talked about lights inside astronaut helmets.

Checked in Breakway and it wasn't something that Space:1999 was guilty of (and I don't think UFO was either but that's going from memory).
 
For years, until “Ed Wood” probably, I just assumed Landau was a terrible actor due to S1999

I felt the same way until I watched Landau and Bain in the first three seasons of Mission: Impossible.
Landau was able to pull off a wide variety of performances both in and out of makeup.
My opinion of Bain didn't really change. I don't know if it was the scripts, direction or something else, but she never really engaged me like Lee Meriwether, Linda Day George or Barbara Anderson did.
 
Landau was really hit or miss in his younger days. I found his work in The Outer Limits "The Man Who Was Never Born" to be really overly theatrical. Yet when he was in a role that required him to be more natural, he was great.
 
This is from the Anderson themselves:

Regarding scientific accuracy and a critical review of Space: 1999 by Isaac Asimov, Gerry Anderson commented: ‘I think that a show that is absolutely scientifically correct can be as dull as ditch-water. But I think the point he was making was that, if you are going deep into the universe, then you can say whatever you like and that’s fine; but if you’re dealing with subjects that we have up-to-date knowledge on, like the Moon, then you ought to be correct. I think that was a reasonable criticism. But I think the problem with scientific advisors is that if you had a scientific advisor in 1820 he would have told you that it was impossible to fly and to travel beyond the speed of sound. And today they’re telling us that it’s impossible to travel beyond the speed of light. I think, therefore, they are inhibiting to a production, and since the heading is science fiction – underline the word fiction – I don’t really think there’s any place for them.’

(By the way, I don't think that a scientific advisor in 1820 would have said that it is impossible to surpass the speed of sound.)

I know that Jules Verne is considered in the U.S. a writer for kids because butchered translations and Disney movies, but he managed to write good and entertainment stories while trying to be consistent with the scientific knowledge of his time. So, I don't think that to be scientifically sound prevents one from writing good stories.

Interesting and good excerpt, thanks! In the end, the trick is to get the audiences to suspend disbelief (and experience the universe they are watching, instead of applying their own to the fictional universe) over the unknown or already-known, because of the reality that they will (among other possibilities) call it "hogwash". If the convoluted natures of science-fiction versus science-fantasy aren't already enough, hehe, as sci-fi generally wraps both.

But because butchered translations and Disney movies did what? I know the fairy tales of the 1800s were a lot more sinister, and were toned down by Disney for wider audience appreciation...?
 
Interesting and good excerpt, thanks! In the end, the trick is to get the audiences to suspend disbelief (and experience the universe they are watching, instead of applying their own to the fictional universe) over the unknown or already-known, because of the reality that they will (among other possibilities) call it "hogwash". If the convoluted natures of science-fiction versus science-fantasy aren't already enough, hehe, as sci-fi generally wraps both.

But because butchered translations and Disney movies did what? I know the fairy tales of the 1800s were a lot more sinister, and were toned down by Disney for wider audience appreciation...?
Sometimes Space 1999 exaggerated a little bit in its scientific inaccuracies just for the sake of them.

In an episode Koenig says "This is Triton's galaxy. This is Triton's star system. This is Triton's universe. This is Triton's sun." One has to wonder if the writers paid a little bit of attention at school when they explained the difference between an universe, a galaxy and a star.
 
Found this video on the Gerry Anderson YouTube channel about a potential series finale for Space: 1999

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It has elements of TOS 'The Squire of Gothos' and DS9's 'Children of Time'.
 
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