What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[MikHutch]

Agree to disagree. D7 & K't'inga are great but nothing beats the eagle-like appearance of the Klingon BoP

If it were Romulan, then either Romulans would be more prominent than Klingons in ST or Romulans would still be using BoPs instead of Klingons in Berman-era Trek. Tbh cloaking technology doesn't really befit Klingon honor-obsessed culture or brutal headfirst combat. If anything Cardassians with their secrecy work way better with cloaking

 

[Vger23]

TSFS contributed more to Star Trek world building than almost anything else that came before, and almost everything it contributes has staying power all the way through TNG.

Ships:
Excelsior class
Oberth class
Klingon BoP
Merchantman

Klingons with a feudal / honor system and unique “head ridges”

Spacedock is introduced.

And it has pretty good scope, jumping between Earth, Genesis, and Vulcan. It shows lots of civilians, other Starfleet crews, a well-developed Klingon crew, etc.

Honestly, for a tight run time, TSFS gets a TON of bang for the buck. Horribly underrated film, in my opinion.

 

[MikHutch]

It definitely did a lot to flesh out the ST universe. TNG carried some of those concepts over and built on them (iirc this is the first time honor is mentioned by a Klingon).

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Plus tSfS introduced the greatest ship in the franchise: the Klingon BoP

I prefer the Romulan BoP but the K-BoP is a strong second place.

 

[publiusr]

TSFS has the best re-watch value…TWOK I have memorized.

 

[Tallguy]

It definitely did a lot to flesh out the ST universe. TNG carried some of those concepts over and built on them (iirc this is the first time honor is mentioned by a Klingon).

That just because the TOS writer's guide says something like"Klingons have no honor".

In TNG the Romulans and the Klingons traded places.

 

[Paul755]

the whole “stealing the Enterprise” portion of the film is one of the best in the entire series. From Kirk doing the Vulcan salute to Bones while asking “how many fingers am I holding up” to the “good morning Captain” message on Excelsior. It’s almost a perfect combination of model making, score, humor, suspense,etc…

just love it to death.

 

[MikHutch]

I prefer the Romulan BoP but the K-BoP is a strong second place.

Fair enough. I like the Romulan BoP but it's a bit flat

That just because the TOS writer's guide says something like"Klingons have no honor".

In TNG the Romulans and the Klingons traded places.

Yeah and the Romulans end up being the least fleshed out of the major antagonistic races

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I still question the notion that SNW M'Benga and TOS M'Benga are the same person (as opposed to simply being relatives: it's hardly unusual for medicine to be a "family business"; I have a friend, a retired gynecologist, whose uncle had been a general surgeon).

"Word of God" notwithstanding: after all, pre-Datalore, "Word of God" (my understanding was that it was in the writers' guide) was that Data had been created by unknown advanced entities as an atonement for accidentally destroying the colony where he'd been found. Every detail of which lasted a dozen episodes.

 

[Macintosh]

Stealing the Enterprise from TSFS is the most exhilarating sequence in the entire franchise.

The score is genuinely spectacular, one of the finest pieces in the whole Star Trek musical oeuvre.

 

[Macintosh]

"Word of God" notwithstanding: after all, pre-Datalore, "Word of God" (my understanding was that it was in the writers' guide) was that Data had been created by unknown advanced entities as an atonement for accidentally destroying the colony where he'd been found. Every detail of which lasted a dozen episodes.

Elements of the pre-"Datalore" background are even in the "Encounter at Farpoint" novelisation.

 

[ananta]

Really happy to see some love for TSFS. It’s forever lived in the shadow of its predecessor and successor but it’s really a thoroughly enjoyable Trek movie and one I can happily rewatch over and over. For me, the run from TMP to TVH is just sheer perfection. Heck, if I’m in a charitable mood I even throw TFF a bone and consider those first six movies a triumph.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I still question the notion that SNW M'Benga and TOS M'Benga are the same person (as opposed to simply being relatives: it's hardly unusual for medicine to be a "family business"; I have a friend, a retired gynecologist, whose uncle had been a general surgeon).

"Word of God" notwithstanding: after all, pre-Datalore, "Word of God" (my understanding was that it was in the writers' guide) was that Data had been created by unknown advanced entities as an atonement for accidentally destroying the colony where he'd been found. Every detail of which lasted a dozen episodes.

What would be the reason to view them as separate characters, though?

To the best of my recollection TOS M'Benga didn't really have any notable characteristics at all beyond being knowledgable about Vulcan physiology, which the SNW version is as well.

 

[FormerLurker]

"Datalore" was an attempt to tell the pre-"Datalore" history. They sanded down too many of the corners and it doesn't fit properly, but it works in its own right as a history for Data.

 

[UssGlenn]

What would be the reason to view them as separate characters, though?

If he's a younger brother or oldest son, you don't have to worry about why he isn't the CMO anymore. And the character just reads younger in TOS. Plus it removes one "we know his fate" character from SNW.

 

[herofhyrule]

If he's a younger brother or oldest son, you don't have to worry about why he isn't the CMO anymore. And the character just reads younger in TOS. Plus it removes one "we know his fate" character from SNW.

Why does it matter that he's not the CMO anymore? CMO of the Enterprise isn't a dead-end job. It could be as simple as him transferring to another ship.

 

[fireproof78]

I still don't understand why people are worried about M'Benga being CMO or not?

More experienced officer put in charge. Bam, done.

It happens.

 

[herofhyrule]

Maybe he just got bored and went to do something else.

 

[fireproof78]

Or just got reassigned then requested a transfer back and the billet that opened up was a staff doctor, not CMO.

 

[Imaus]

Why does it matter that he's not the CMO anymore? CMO of the Enterprise isn't a dead-end job. It could be as simple as him transferring to another ship.

Especially TOS enterprise, it's one ship of many. It's not the flagship. It's a exploratory cruiser, second of a line of them. People would like the Constitution more, maybe; or whatever.

In a book I think Kirk wanted to captain another ship, USS victorious or whatever, and saw the E as a stepping stone in his career. There are bigger and badder ships than the E out there, most likely.