Spoilers The Bastardization of Star Trek

[fireproof78]

These types of livestreams frequently reach more people than a BBS does.

Many of the likely contributors have interviewed / engaged with people active in various Star Trek productions. So, yes, while the idea of putting Star Trek on trial is a bit of a gaff, it can't be completely dismissed.

Yes, yes it can.

It caters to the lowest common denominator of outrage demographic. I know; I was a part of the Star Wars one some 20 years ago. It should be funny but instead it's just sad that in order to engage people with Star Trek, the supposedly "more intellectual" franchise to Star Wars that outrage culture is considered the best way to reach people.

 

[Ovation]

while the idea of putting Star Trek on trial is a bit of a gaff, it can't be completely dismissed.

And here I thought I was finished with the belly laughing for today.

 

[Timofnine]

I refuse to post in this thread (further) because it has the word b*astard (or a derivation of) in its title, which is a swear/curse word. I am not a fan of colourful metaphors, which often lead to nothing but trouble, IMHO.

 

[Lord Garth]

There's no trial. It's a vote and people vote by tuning in or not tuning in.

It's as simple as that.

 

[HotRod]

I refuse to post in this thread (further) because it has the word b*astard (or a derivation of) in its title, which is a swear/curse word. I am not a fan of colourful metaphors, which often lead to nothing but trouble, IMHO.

 

[The Wormhole]

I refuse to post in this thread (further) because it has the word b*astard (or a derivation of) in its title, which is a swear/curse word. I am not a fan of colourful metaphors, which often lead to nothing but trouble, IMHO.

You do realize spelling the entire word, yet sticking an asterix between letters as opposed to using it to replace letters is the same thing as using the word yourself, right?

 

[Enterprise is Great]

“Crimes against popular culture" is the new “raped my childhood”

 

[cooleddie74]

"WORST. POPULAR CULTURE VIOLATION. EVER."

 

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[The Wormhole]

We are 3 years away from the 70th anniversary

2036 is a bit further away than 3 years.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

So, yes, while the idea of putting Star Trek on trial is a bit of a gaff, it can't be completely dismissed.

Quit while you're (barely) ahead. Nobody agrees with you and nobody cares.

You can only beat a dead horse so much.

I refuse to post in this thread (further) because it has the word b*astard (or a derivation of) in its title, which is a swear/curse word. I am not a fan of colourful metaphors, which often lead to nothing but trouble, IMHO.

Bastardisation is not a curse word, Tim.

You may notice words contain the same letters and syllables sometimes, it doesn't mean they are the same.

Saying bastardisation is a curse word is like saying assume or passenger are curse words just because they has 'ass' in them.

Also, you need to go and learn what 'metaphor' means.

Alternatively, if you're not being serious and trying to make a joke, well... try a bit harder.

 

[Mudd]

These types of livestreams frequently reach more people than a BBS does.

Many of the likely contributors have interviewed / engaged with people active in various Star Trek productions. So, yes, while the idea of putting Star Trek on trial is a bit of a gaff, it can't be completely dismissed.

Yes it can.

Who fucking cares?

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm convinced the mods are only leaving this thread open for the entertainment value.

In their heads, the fans who are having a "trial" think this is like "Encounter at Farpoint".

 

[fireproof78]

“Crimes against popular culture" is the new “raped my childhood”

It is. Though I loved the "heresy against Star Trek" thread I saw during the Kelvin releases.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I would like all the people who think Star Trek should be put on trial to band together and actually file a lawsuit.

Please. Pretty please.

This will make the time Axanar tried to claim their Vulcans were actually not Vulcans but Nosferatu look like nothing.

 

[Citiprime]

One thing I don’t get, and this was true when it came to George Lucas and Star Wars as well, but ascribing intent to media you don’t like. Like there’s someone out there making awful content on purpose as part of an agenda.

I have significant criticisms of Discovery and some of the choices made in Strange New Worlds, but when people and YouTube critics start talking about “trials” for “crimes against pop culture,” what they’re really saying is that they think the people making Star Trek care more about diversity, representation, and other “woke” talking points than putting out a good story. And that’s just a bunch of bullshit. You can criticize those shows or episodes from those shows for being dull. You can criticize them for making bad story decisions. But I’ve never felt it was a situation where someone in the writers’ room is consciously going, we need to have Burnham or Ortega be the hero this week for girl power!

And that’s the problem with most of that line of criticism. Most of those videos devolve into a guy who thinks he’s funny because he can make an annoying voices for 30 minutes, upset that a woman of color got to be the hero of an episode.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

This will make the time Axanar tried to claim their Vulcans were actually not Vulcans but Nosferatu look like nothing.

Did that happen?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Did that happen?

As part of a motion to dismiss long ago they tried to claim everything in Trek is public domain and there's no difference between Vulcans and Nosferatu because pointed ears. Link.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

As part of a motion to dismiss long ago they tried to claim everything in Trek is public domain and there's no difference between Vulcans and Nosferatu because pointed ears. Link.

Wow. Thanks, as ever, for the info.

ETA - The Judge's response is legendary!

Although the Court declines to address whether Plaintiffs’ Claims will PROSPER at this time, the Court does find Plaintiffs’ claims will LIVE LONG enough to survive Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss. For the foregoing reasons, the Court DENIES Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss. IT IS SO ORDERED.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

And that’s the problem with most of that line of criticism. Most of those videos devolve into a guy who thinks he’s funny because he can make an annoying voices for 30 minutes, upset that a woman of color got to be the hero of an episode.

That's a large part of fantasy fandom. It's always been there and always will be. Whether its those who:

• Yelled that Sam Wilson will "never" be Captain America in their eyes, and that Rogers was replaced because he was a "Strong white male"
  
• ...to the outrage from the mere appearance of Finn in a Stormtrooper outfit (as if there was a racial standard for troopers at any point during the ST's preceding trilogy) in TFA's trailer, to seeing him with a Lightsaber, which some ranted was "writing white men out of Star Wars" (and the implication that Finn was "special" instead of an expected white male).
• ...to the apoplectic reactions to Reva in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, that kind of poison in the fantasy fan community has been there. I remember the same with Lando back in the 80s, and recall the same negativity when Sisko was announced as the as the lead character of DS9. It will never go away.

You will find that some fans speaking in this way (usually behind some of the bigger YouTube "geek" channels) often speak in glowing, hero-worshiping terms about Marty McFly, Indiana Jones (cutting off the praise before getting to the latest films), the Ghostbusters, any Stallone or Schwarzenegger character, John McClane, He-Man, and other characters. The link is that the characters are usually from the 1980s, as many of their worst, offending defenders are self-identified "80s kids" who constantly anoint those characters / films as the perfect symbols of heroism. Anyone else is rejected outright, or placed in an "acceptable" subordinate role, hence the near-violent reactions to the characters listed above, and how they're somehow "usurping" the role of the heroic white male.