Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists

[cooleddie74]

I can see why a lot of what happened in the ENT Era regarding time travel would be classified or basically just rumors and tall tales handed down through the next several generations of Starfleet cadets. Not many officers possess hard evidence that it happened or still does but there's this general attitude of "it's possible so be forewarned."

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's because the version of The Naked Time that we're familiar with was from before the alterations made in the temporal cold war as established in Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow. There may even be a self-fulfilling causality loop here. The discoveries made by Kirk and the Enterprise in The Naked Time actually leading to the temporal cold war.

Yep, it's the loop before... which is messing people up trying to connect dots that don't go together.

Given the events of ENT a century earlier, I don't see why time travel would be unheard of in the 23rd century - but the rest...he seemed to be following/responding to La'an's lead when she brought it up.

Yes but SNW already established the timeline has changed with the ENT Temporal War and Eugenics Wars.

 

[jackoverfull]

Given the events of ENT a century earlier, I don't see why time travel would be unheard of in the 23rd century - but the rest...he seemed to be following/responding to La'an's lead when she brought it up.

I think most of Archer’s time travelling is highly classified (and possibly he didn’t even report some of it).

Yes but SNW already established the timeline has changed with the ENT Temporal War and Eugenics Wars.

Indeed. We know that a Romulan agent (probably, could have been something else too, actually!) caused the postponement of the Eugenic Wars, we don’t really know what else was changed and if Enterprise as we’ve seen it is part of the old or the new timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

I think most of Archer’s time travelling is highly classified (and possibly he didn’t even report some of it).

They did not have the right forms during his era. That was updated post Federation creation

 

[jackoverfull]

They did not have the right forms during his era. That was updated post Federation creation

the bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Also, we don't know for a fact the agent was from the 29th century. She could have been from the 26th, 27th, or 28th century.

She was using technology consistent with the 29th century. Her time thingy used a TCARS interface just like the Relativity.

 

[Tuskin38]

We know that a Romulan agent (probably, could have been something else too, actually!) caused the postponement of the Eugenic Wars,

She seemed to be upset at being stuck there for 20 years waiting for Khan to show up, so I doubt she caused it.

 

[drt]

She seemed to be upset at being stuck there for 20 years waiting for Khan to show up, so I doubt she caused it.

Yeah, that's how I interpreted her line as well, she expected to be able to do her business in 1992, then had to wait thirty years - so the change had already happened, or maybe the records for that period were fragmentary and she targeted 1992 based on incorrect/incomplete data.

 

[jackoverfull]

She seemed to be upset at being stuck there for 20 years waiting for Khan to show up, so I doubt she caused it.

yes, that’s why I put that parenthesis. On the other hand, another interpretation could be that she managed to change the timeline only to realise that It did in fact fix itself, with Khan happening a bit later.

Or even that someone else fixed it. It’s a temporal *war* after all, there are multiple parties involved by definition.

 

[Farscape One]

She was using technology consistent with the 29th century. Her time thingy used a TCARS interface just like the Relativity.

Ah, I forgot about the TCARS bit.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Kirk was aware of it and the time travel regulations in "Subspace Rhapsody" which is very much at odds with time travel being unheard of in TOS "Naked Time"

Where is it said time travel is unheard of? Time travel only comes up in the episode's last scenes. Outside of mentioning a relationship between time and anti-matter, no one has any idea the intermix formula will result in time travel, they're just trying to restart the engines. When it does happen Spock's excited (well as excited as Spock can get) but Kirk reaction is "We may risk it someday, Mister Spock. Resume course to our next destination, Mister Sulu."

 

[Therin of Andor]

TOS wasn't even about exploration ever week. "Space Seed" is literally about 72 superhumans from over 200 years earlier who get found, thawed out and try to take over the ship. Not one alien. Not one shot of an alien planet. Just humans interacting with other humans who have five times their strength.

Although they were left behind on a Strange New World.

And sometimes the Strange New World is inside one of the characters' heads.

 

[firehawk12]

I assume people talked about this already, but is there a paradox with the fact that the device should have no Horonium after they used all of it to get Boimler and Mariner back home? lol

 

[Pauln6]

I assume people talked about this already, but is there a paradox with the fact that the device should have no Horonium after they used all of it to get Boimler and Mariner back home? lol

If the Orions knew about it they could have returned at any time, possibly even Romulan time agents.

 

[firehawk12]

If the Orions knew about it they could have returned at any time, possibly even Romulan time agents.

Hrmm... So the assumption is that someone else charged it up and messed with the timeline?

 

[Pauln6]

Hrmm... So the assumption is that someone else charged it up and messed with the timeline?

Well, it's not as if Pike tried to keep the method of powering it up a secret.

 

[firehawk12]

Well, it's not as if Pike tried to keep the method of powering it up a secret.

Makes you wonder why someone else didn't just try to steal it later then. lol

 

[fireproof78]

Makes you wonder why someone else didn't just try to steal it later then. lol

The Orions did-from themselves.

It's now in a warehouse.

 

[Ithekro]

Maybe no one figured out how to get it to go to any specific point in time, it just does what it does without input.

 

[firehawk12]

The Orions did-from themselves.

It's now in a warehouse.

It can't be... otherwise the Cerritos wouldn't have gone to check up on it.

I mean, the answer is that Miles O'Brien is right. Time travel sucks. lol