I got bored with them too and bailed (I keep meaning to go back and watch the infinite crisis adaptation) but am really enjoying S&L.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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You should give Superman And Lois a chance. In my opinion it is one of the best Arrow verse show. It is original to have a superhero who is older and has experience and a family no less!
Black Lightning did that before, though.
I don't agree with that assessment. The live action Superman actors I have seen have done first-rate jobs, in their own ways. For me, there is no definitive live action Superman. I have no problems with the actors portraying Superman, as long as they do a good job and they do it in their own way without trying to copy one another.
I haven't seen that show
S&L is very different in tone and style from the main Arrowverse shows, so much so that they retroactively declared it a separate universe in season 2.
Hm..... In regards to the last few seasons of those main shows I'd say that a plus. Coolcool, I'll give it a shot
This is incorrect; the show was retconned to be set on a brand-new Earth in the Arrowverse's post-Crisis Multiverse, not to be an IP unto and of itself separate from the Arrowverse as a whole.
Yep, and an amazing show it was, too. The most consistently excellent of all the CW DC series.
The Alyn serials will give you a "lighter" Superman within limits, but he's very forceful and determined in ways unlike the comics published at the same time, but overall, he's second only to Cavill for a truly great live action Superman.
The Salkinds' Superman III and Cannon Film's Superman IV are hot garbage dressed in half-assed Superman trappings. The very best part of III is Annette O'Toole as Lana. Perfect casting for the adult version of the character, and hits every character beat one would expect for a mature woman reuniting with Clark. Frankly, she should have been added to the Salkinds' series in the first film, as she's far more appealing and had a natural way of drawing out the real Clark, as opposed to his eternal boy-crush bumbler routine when in the company of Kidder's Lois.
IV is simply one of the worst sequels ever made, with a message that unintentionally argued against the audience investment in the superhero fantasy idea by having Superman make his unilateral decision.
The Ruby-Spears Superman cartoon (CBS, 1988) sort of marries the flavors of the Salkind movies with beats from early 80s Superman and Action Comics comics. Luthor was written to be as sarcastic as the Hackman version, while Lois is closer to her comic-book counterpart and not the obsessed fan seen in the Salkinds' movies.
Superboy was a good attempt to finally bring that character to live action (not counting 1961's The Adventures of Superboy failed pilot). Some fans love the Superboy #1 (John Haymes Newton), believing he gave the bolder, more charismatic performance, while others felt Superboy #2 (Gerard Christopher) captured the essence of the character YMMV. However, there's no doubt about Stacy Haiduk's Lana, who was not channelling O'Toole, but made the character her own (and not the long-scheming, long-suffering Lana of the Silver Age) and was a great fit for the TV Clark/Superboy.
Superboy is by no means a perfect series, but it handled the characters well, even if some of the scripts felt rushed or lacking.
Batwoman's first season was strong, and despite some of the typically asinine "writing" choices seen on many Berlanti DC series, it managed to keep Batwoman's journey and collision course with her father an interesting core of the series. The rest of the series--with few exceptions--was increasingly and typically Berlanti/DC BS.
The only true jewel in the CW/DC crown was Black Lightning, thanks to Berlanti and his usual suspects have next to nothing to do with the Akils and Oz Scott's creation and development of the show.
If you love Superman, Lois Lane, and their world, you will find things to enjoy in all the film and TV adaptations (or at least I do). Some are better than others, and individual tastes and preferences will naturally vary. But even among my less favorite iterations of the franchise, there's always a scene, a character, a performance, something to appreciate and embrace.
This a very healthy, open minded and thought out repsonse.
Meaning the internet will hate it.
No. Two words: Teri Hatcher. Not for particularly noble reasons. Among a number of my co-workers at the time, it was was referred to as “the Lois” show. Not the only reason it was popular but a part of it (these guys would not have otherwise been caught dead watching a show like that).
They're pretty typical serials, so it depends on whether that's a form you're used to/fond of, since it gets pretty repetitive. The '43 Batman serial is pretty racist, opening with narration praising the "wise" US government's internment of Japanese-Americans, and J. Carroll Naish's attempt at a Japanese accent is more like a cross between Benedict Wong's Chinese accent and a New York gangster. It's notable for introducing the Batcave and the familiar tall, slim version of Alfred that the comics soon emulated (having their chubby Alfred go to a health spa to slim down).
Batman & Robin is free of the wartime baggage, but pretty ordinary, featuring a non-comics-based high-tech villain called the Wizard. I remember it mainly for the music, which was pretty good, and was also used in the Superman serials. Commissioner Gordon is played by Lyle Talbot, who would play Lex Luthor in Atom Man vs. Superman the following year.
I had ended up bailing out on Superman and Lois in the end, along with other Arrowverse shows.
I've never demanded for Superman to be a violent asshole. But I certainly don't want him to be a Smiling Joe or basically happy with very little personal issues. That's not natural, even for fictional characters.I want Superman to be a complex and interesting character with virtues and flaws. His virtues can lead him to do the right thing or wonderful things, and his flaws can lead him to make mistakes or do terrible things.
Perhaps one day I'll understand this desire for a Superman who's capable of doing "terrible things." But I sincerely hope not, because on that day I'll know that cynicism and hopelessness have won.