Spoilers The Bastardization of Star Trek

[Mage]

I wasn't trying to say there's a specific right way to write Star Trek. I was saying there is a wrong way, and my points convey the ways I felt they went wrong, if that makes sense. If you're continuing a timeline where there are past episodes and future episodes, putting something in the middle (point: Guinan) that's radically different is wrong. If there's a malevolent/benevolent character older than time that's never shown any emotion besides arrogance, having him die and find out he just wanted a friend all along is wrong. With a series based in plausible future science, making up a quantum probability field that makes everyone sing and can only be broken if everyone sings at once.....

that's wrong. That's the wrong way to do it.

I can't believe I seem to be alone on this. All of you really watched this stuff happen without a second thought? None of this bothers anyone? I knew there would be some detractors, but I assumed I'd have crowd support on this.

There nothing fundamentally wrong with current Star Trek.
There is something wrong with it IN YOUR OPINION.

And you, like so many other people, feel that your opinion is gospel. Like @Greg Cox said, over its almost 60 years, Star Trek has come in many flavors and all of them are correct. It has shifted and shaped its way through out the decades to fit with modern story telling. You are simply nostalgic for what you feel were 'the good ol' days'. And in 25 years a new Star Trek show will come along and someone will cry and scream online about how this is NOT the Star Trek they grew up with, meaning Strange New Worlds and Lowers Decks, and how it's simply not good enough.

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again. This forum doesn't need another topic from another disgruntled fan on how modern Star Trek is not good enough for them and the producers need to make exactly what they want and to hell with the people that might actually enjoy current Star Trek. The selfish concept that the creators of these show MUST cater to your wishes is, well, childish at best. Inconsiderent of others at worse.

 

[wayoung]

Isn't the showrunner the guy behind the 12 Monkeys series (I've only seen the original movie)? I'm kinda curious what the time travel is like in that and if it makes any more sense

It's really good, better than the movie IMO. Better than Picard as well, again IMO.

 

[donners22]

You're not the first to say this. How is this a different timeline? Picard is supposed to take place 29 years after TNG. I don't doubt you're right, I'd like to know what I missed.

It's the whole reason they travelled back in time. Q altered the past so that the Federation did not exist, and instead there was the human-centric Confederation. Thus, different timeline, and different events - with no Time's Arrow.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I mean, true but that was the case with TNG forward too. "Did you watch this? Hey, read this! Here's the tech manual." And I'm like...no thanks.

Doctor Who is the same way. I just can't with a lot of it, even if it is not so heavily connected together. Or to use a different example "The Witcher." It's not enough to watch the show, but read the books, play the video games and determine what is right.

The older I get the less it appeals.

I feel much the same, and I think it's the sheer insane volume of content everything is pumping out nowadays. The last MUST SEE ON DAY ONE Trek for me was Into Darkness.

I don't think Trek has gone as far as Disney yet, where I've watched Marvel shows and thought it exists just to fulfil a contract rather than have any kind of artistic merit.

 

[Pauln6]

You see something similar with Marvel. Not every hero is aimed at the same audience but because they share a universe fans of the more popular heroes claim that giving any airtime to such characters is a woke betrayal of everything Stan Lee stood for.

 

[Farscape One]

Isn't the showrunner the guy behind the 12 Monkeys series (I've only seen the original movie)? I'm kinda curious what the time travel is like in that and if it makes any more sense

12 MONKEYS was a really, really good series. The time travel can give you a headache now and then, but that's inherent with that type of plot. Wonderful character development, though.

 

[1001001]

Hi, trolls.

*kisses

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but calling other posters "trolls" is itself trolling.

This is your first (and only) friendly warning.

Thanks

 

[Tuskin38]

How is this a different timeline?

It's literally explained by the showrunner in the second post you quoted.

Q altered the past so the Federation never existed, since the Federation never existed, there was no 'Good' Picard to go back in time an interact with Guinan in the 19th century. That's why Guinan doesn't recognize Picard.

Though it goes weird because Guinan in the 25th Century clearly remembers them in the 21st Century, and even has a photo of Rios.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek time travel be like...

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[Greg Cox]

You see something similar with Marvel. Not every hero is aimed at the same audience but because they share a universe fans of the more popular heroes claim that giving any airtime to such characters is a woke betrayal of everything Stan Lee stood for.

I enjoyed pointing out to certain fans that SHE-HULK, in particular, had actually been created by Lee back in 1979 and was hardly some new "woke" innovation.

I remember at least one guy being left a little flustered and off-balance by this revelation, which clearly came as news to him.

 

[cooleddie74]

Star Trek time travel be like...

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Mmmm...synthesized spaghetti.

 

[drt]

SUPERNATURAL can appear very daunting... with 327 episodes, that single show had almost as many episodes as the entire STARGATE franchise.

It doesn't help that people tend to not focus on anything longer than 20 or 30 episodes. I suppose that's also part of the reason for shorter seasons... to compensate for the shorter attention span.

It's not always attention spans, I think an issue with long running older shows, particularly those that had to make 20-25 episodes a year, is that they often get pretty repetitive, so I can’t blame people for losing interest.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I enjoyed pointing out to certain fans that SHE-HULK, in particular, had actually been created by Lee back in 1979 and was hardly some new "woke" innovation.

I remember at least one guy being left a little flustered and off-balance by this revelation, which clearly came as news to him.

1979?!

I collected that entire first run when it came out. Now I feel really old.

 

[1001001]

I enjoyed pointing out to certain fans that SHE-HULK, in particular, had actually been created by Lee back in 1979 and was hardly some new "woke" innovation.

I remember at least one guy being left a little flustered and off-balance by this revelation, which clearly came as news to him.

I really enjoyed She-Hulk.

 

[Greg Cox]

1979?!

I collected that entire first run when it came out. Now I feel really old.

Tell me about it. I still have the first issue, which I picked up back in the day.

And, yeah, I thought the tv version was lotsa fun, too.

 

[cooleddie74]

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[TREK_GOD_1]

I really enjoyed She-Hulk.

The comic or the TV series?

 

[wayoung]

My girlfriend got me a gift, since she's French Canadian I'm having an appropriate drink to break it in

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Considering the thread topic, the following video seems appropriate:

The state of modern STAR TREK! How has it come to this?!? A ROBSERVATIONS Close-up!

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Enjoy!

 

[HotRod]

Considering the thread topic, the following video seems appropriate:

The state of modern STAR TREK! How has it come to this?!? A ROBSERVATIONS Close-up!

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Enjoy!

Yeah, no.

I think we're doing just fine without hearing from that conceited asshole.