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Spoilers The Bastardization of Star Trek

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MadDokK

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A few points to go over before I begin. This represents my opinion which is no more or less valid than anyone else's. While the title appears inflammatory it conveys thoughts made before I decided to make this post and is not intended to provoke anyone. I'm more than happy and willing to entertain opinions that differ from my own. Finally there is no way to accurately describe my position without giving away spoilers regarding Picard and the latest S02E09 episode of Strange New Worlds (SNW).

I was a 90's kid. I grew up watching TNG and Voyager with a bit of DS9. I still like to rewatch TNG and became excited when new Star Trek series started to come out, ESPECIALLY when the OG Picard came back. The nostalgic elation I felt was only matched by the supreme crash back down to Earth as I watched what I perceived to be the bastardization of the Star Trek canaan, mostly with Picard and SNW.

Picard

When they landed in 21st century Earth you could see the trashed streets and I immediately went, "here we go." Sure enough the "we're trashing our planet" speeches came quick. I'll be the first to defend Star Trek exploring certain viewpoints. TNG was way ahead of it's time addressing things like a maternal society, an androgynous species, and one of my favorite episodes, "Measure of a Man" where they fight for Data to have rights as a sentient being. My problem is in how they did it. Guinan came into the picture and for whatever reason they wrote the episode as if they hadn't met yet. I'm not nitpicking some little detail - not only was it a two part episode but it was a season finale where they went back to the 18th century and met Guinan. In that episode, as in the "future" (TNG) Guinan was eloquent and poised, armed with centuries of experience and wisdom. All of a sudden they have her on a soap box yelling what some call liberal viewpoints (I'm as politically center as it gets). The cringe I felt was pretty epic. I think that's the only point that could inflame some political bias, but my points go far beyond politics.

I'm seeing how long this is getting so I'm going to try and be brief. Q, and the Borg. In one episode they absolutely obliterated two of the best protagonists in the entire canaan. Q was dying and he turned out he just wanted a friend?! The Borg all of a sudden becomes benevolent? Are you f*ing kidding me? Not only is this bad writing, but it completely betrays the history AND the potential for those protagonists. I suppose the Borg can always go bad again, but there's no coming back from Q literally crying on Picard's shoulder.

The series finale of Picard wasn't any better. This is less "bastardization" and more just lazy writing, but it still irritates me. TV shows use clever plot twists and reveals to get the viewer into that, "oooooh, man" feeling, but it seemed like all they did with Picard was just exploit viewer nostalgia for TNG. It was as if every single plot twist or reveal was just them revealing the return of some OG TNG character.

Strange New Worlds

Again, trying to wrap this up. SNW has had a hell of a lot of potential and for the most part I've really enjoyed it. Last season there was an episode where the crew reenacted the plot for a children's book. It was a bit out there, but the reasoning they used was at least plausible for the show. This last episode nine almost caused me to throw my laptop through a window. It wasn't even stretchably plausible in any way. The only thing that made less sense was their solution to sing a long. The whole thing was so cringy I had to skip over the singing which means the episode for me was about seven minutes long.




I'm not against a show departing from it's original path, but it at least has to make sense. It at least has to be written well. When you're making episodes for a series as iconic as Star Trek, you need to know what the f* you're doing. Does anyone consider me to be off base here? Am I the only one that's watched this unfold and thought, "what the hell are they doing?"
 
I've been a Star Trek fan since 1966. Trust me on this, STAR TREK comes in lots of different flavors and there's no "right" way to do Star Trek. I grew up on TOS and prefer some of the latter-day shows more than others, as most of us surely do, but I've enjoyed all them to various degrees, as variations on a theme.

It may help not to get too hung up on the idea that STAR TREK is supposed to be done one way and no other. And that the TNG-era stuff is somehow the gold standard to which all Trek shows, past and present, must adhere to.

Star Trek is a big umbrella, and that's good thing. Infinite variety and all that.
 
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That last part will come in handy soon enough.

Sounds good, I don't think I've had that kind before. There was a micro cider brewery near my parents, used to get some from there when I visited, but they closed over the winter.
 
It's exceptional. Just sweet enough to go down smooth but still get you buzzed fast if you need that to happen.
 
It's exceptional. Just sweet enough to go down smooth but still get you buzzed fast if you need that to happen.

Damn, just checked and it's not available in my province. Otherwise I would have bought some to try based on that!

I'm going to an all inclusive resort in Mexico in October, I'm looking forward to margaritas on the beach.
 
I've been a Star Trek fan since 1966. Trust me on this, STAR TREK comes in lots of different flavors and there's no "right" way to do Star Trek. I grew up on TOS and prefer some of the latter-day shows more than others, as most of us surely do, but I've enjoyed all them to various degrees, as variations on a theme.

It may help not to get too hung up on the idea that STAR TREK is supposed to be done one way and no other. And that the TNG-era stuff is somehow the gold standard to which all Trek shows, past and present, must adhere to.

Star Trek is a big umbrella, and that's good thing. Infinite variety and all that.

I wasn't trying to say there's a specific right way to write Star Trek. I was saying there is a wrong way, and my points convey the ways I felt they went wrong, if that makes sense. If you're continuing a timeline where there are past episodes and future episodes, putting something in the middle (point: Guinan) that's radically different is wrong. If there's a malevolent/benevolent character older than time that's never shown any emotion besides arrogance, having him die and find out he just wanted a friend all along is wrong. With a series based in plausible future science, making up a quantum probability field that makes everyone sing and can only be broken if everyone sings at once.....

that's wrong. That's the wrong way to do it.

I can't believe I seem to be alone on this. All of you really watched this stuff happen without a second thought? None of this bothers anyone? I knew there would be some detractors, but I assumed I'd have crowd support on this.
 
If there's a malevolent/benevolent character older than time that's never shown any emotion besides arrogance, having him die and find out he just wanted a friend all along is wrong.
I may loath Q as a character but even I see him taking a special interest in Picard since Tapestry and "Q-Pid." Stupid episodes but at least his emotions and over the top antics are perfectly clear.

With a series based in plausible future science, making up a quantum probability field that makes everyone sing and can only be broken if everyone sings at once.....
With due respect to your opinion, Star Trek is no longer believable science. It moved on from that in TNG with "thought as the basis of reality," aliens that can breed despite being across the galaxy from each other, transporters, and warp drive. And that's just off the top of my head.
 
I may loath Q as a character but even I see him taking a special interest in Picard since Tapestry and "Q-Pid." Stupid episodes but at least his emotions and over the top antics are perfectly clear.


With due respect to your opinion, Star Trek is no longer believable science. It moved on from that in TNG with "thought as the basis of reality," aliens that can breed despite being across the galaxy from each other, transporters, and warp drive. And that's just off the top of my head.

I misspoke. I didn't mean believable as in it may actually be possible some day. I meant they at least strives to have it make some kind of sense in the star trek reality. The whole qunatum probability field being fixed by singing was so far gone and so cringy.

Wow, I'm really kind of alone on this.
 
I misspoke. I didn't mean believable as in it may actually be possible some day. I meant they at least strives to have it make some kind of sense in the star trek reality. The whole qunatum probability field being fixed by singing was so far gone and so cringy.

Wow, I'm really kind of alone on this.
I mean, I kind of throw it in with "good and evil" separation of souls from bodies, and random pregnancies.
 
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