So very true.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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So very true.
It's been a guilty pleasure of mine since I was a small kid. I neither think it's a work of art nor do I hate it. It's got a very interesting concept and Shatner and Morgan Woodward help sell the episode with their intense performances as Kirk and Captain Ron Tracey.
I like "The Omega Glory", I really do, otherwise I wouldn't have said I think it's a good episode. But the point about the US Constitution word-for-word and the US Flag is one thing I have to agree with critics about. I can't really argue with them about the flag and Constitution. That having been said, William Shatner still really sells it in his performance, paired with the music swelling up behind him. So, while technically I agree with their point about the end, it doesn't take away from my actual enjoyment of the episode.
Kirk's is the worst. I think it might be one of the worst deaths in Trek.
I love TOS, including most of the terrible episodes, but I can’t stand Omega Glory. Maybe the fact I’m not American is partly to blame; I see a flag and it doesn’t ignite passion and inspiration for me. It’s closer to a big fat eye roll. I guess I just don’t find Gene Roddenberry’s scripted episodes particularly good.
I adore TVH, I really do. I just wish they didn’t reduce the crew’s intelligence by a factor of fifty during the past sequences. The humour was just overdone that way. These are officers who’ve had first contact and dealings with all kinds of aliens and different civilisations and suddenly they can’t seem to read context and cue at all. Things like Chekov’s interrogation scene: “you’re done, mister!” “You mean I can go?” And Scotty talking to a Mac mouse then ten seconds later knowing how to input complex equations at lightning speed. It’s dumb. But I love it nonetheless. It’s so gloriously uplifting that I can forgive a multitude of sins. I was undergoing chemo, in fact I’m always on chemo, and watched it with my mother—and she loved it. It kind of meant a lot sharing that with a beloved family member when I was feeling so rough.
It’s truly a crime. This is not only a beloved Trek character but also a cultural icon. How on Earth did they managed to make his death such a bit fat meh?! Minor characters like Ziyal managed to have far better and more emotional death scenes. Just how did they manage to blow it so badly?
yeah, but beyond the initial wedding scene and a few brief moments between Tomlinson and his fiancé they didn’t go out of their way to say he was a deeply beloved member of the crew and his death would haunt them. Kirk and Bones were upset but they weren’t streaming tears or cursing the heavens.
felt nothing for Ariam, anger about Kirk and was stupefied by Data’s first death.
easily. But I do wonder how much of his “final goodbye” was kept when the did the reshoots. Were his final words always “oh my” or did he die right away when Soren shot him in the back.
So, people should mourn the exact same way?
My larger point is that I am moved by Tomlinson's death because of the reaction of Kirk, McCoy, and his widow. It all works together. Similarly, Ariam's death works because I'm with the characters, empathize with them and feel their loss.
Mileage will vary but this is one that strikes be as infinitely odd. But, then I watched BoT when I was like 10 on VHS and wept every freaking time for Tomlinson.
So, people should mourn the exact same way?
My larger point is that I am moved by Tomlinson's death because of the reaction of Kirk, McCoy, and his widow. It all works together. Similarly, Ariam's death works because I'm with the characters, empathize with them and feel their loss.
Mileage will vary but this is one that strikes be as infinitely odd. But, then I watched BoT when I was like 10 on VHS and wept every freaking time for Tomlinson.
Think it is fair to say that there was more of an agreement between fans and producers/writers that we would get on board with what we were told to feel back in those days.
If a character is laughing then we should, if a character is angry we should feel anger at the same thing.
Over the years it seems like the agreement has changed to one where we need to feel closer to the character for them to matter.
Personally I'd sit in the middle whereby it is enjoyable to immerse yourself into a show and let them take you on a ride, but that I still enjoy getting to know characters and creating more of a connection with them
It's even sadder when you remember they had two shots at giving Kirk a great death and they dropped the ball both times.
All my best in your fight. #FuckCancer
I think I've met one or two people whose opinion on Kirk's death was a little blinded by the nostalgia of Kirk coming back again, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone even try to defend Data's death.
I don't think this one's going to be very controversial.
For those who don't like Kirk's canonical death in GEN be glad they didn't use the original version of his death. I'll take being crushed to death under a metal bridge over being shot in the back by a wounded and dying Dr. Soran and crumpling to his knees before dying in Picard's arms. The only good thing to come out of the original version of Kirk's death was Shatner's exuberant line: "The 24th century's not so tough!!"
I don’t understand all the hate for Kirk’s death.
I’ll simply repeat: he gave up eternity in paradise to save 230,000,000 people who will never know he existed. Can’t get more heroic than that.
The particulars are irrelevant to me, compared to that.
I’ll simply repeat: he gave up eternity in paradise to save 230,000,000 people who will never know he existed. Can’t get more heroic than that.
The particulars are irrelevant to me, compared to that.
The presentation unfortunately comes across as very Looney Tunes.
And if Season 3 of PIC is to be interpreted literally (I prefer not to) Kirk may...NOT have died on Veridian III. At least...not permanently.
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@cooleddie74 spoilers, man!
Sigh.
Yup. I had a post I wanted to make about PIC Season 3, then I took it down, because I was like, "This is going to open a whole Spoiler Can of Worms."
Marking off the calendar for October.
Marking off the calendar for October.
Easy to forget, even for us old-time veterans.
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