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Spoilers Strange New Worlds Episode 7 - Those Old Scientists

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fireproof78 said:
In their movie? Yes, absolutely they can blow it up.
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I mean, sure, they could have, but it would have been extremely discourteous to the producers of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Ira Steven Behr has said that if First Contact had featured the destruction of the Defiant, then he would have ordered his writing staff to ignore it and still feature the Defiant.
 
Sci said:
I mean, sure, they could have, but it would have been extremely discourteous to the producers of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Ira Steven Behr has said that if First Contact had featured the destruction of the Defiant, then he would have ordered his writing staff to ignore it and still feature the Defiant.
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Ok.

I'm saying as a scene it's reasonable to expect a ship might blow up. I'm unconcerned with BTS reasons.
 
fireproof78 said:
Ok.

I'm saying as a scene it's reasonable to expect a ship might blow up. I'm unconcerned with BTS reasons.
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Gotcha. Yeah, sure, in-universe the idea of the Defiant being destroyed during the Battle of Sector 001 is plausible. I don't think anyone questions that.
 
I question it.

(But my caveat being it's simply the opinion of one who has a deep affection for the Defiant. I KNOW it's reasonable... but my heart knows it most certainly is not. :) )
 
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Sci said:
Gotcha. Yeah, sure, in-universe the idea of the Defiant being destroyed during the Battle of Sector 001 is plausible. I don't think anyone questions that.
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It was wrecked really badly, but wasn't destroyed into little bits & pieces.

They obviously fixed it in time for the Dominion to blow it up.

Then they came out with another ship to give it the same name.
 
parsonsm said:
This episode was fine. Just fine. Nothing great, nothing terrible.

I suppose if you love the humour that Lower Decks offers you will probably think this is 'The Greatest Episode of All time' and from reading the thread and some reviews I do think those fans have gone somewhat OTT in their praise. However, they are entitled to.

I find Lower Decks to be somewhat of a silly diversion, and maybe that's all its meant to be, and that's ok.

That doesn't mean I want to see it linked with what I would consider to be 'Real Trek' in this manner (for me Lower Decks, Prodigy and any other animated spin off should not be considered canon but I understand that TPTB do not see it so).

As such I was somewhat pessimistic about how much I would enjoy the episode as I started to watch it.

I enjoyed it. It was, on occasion, funny.

It was however also too absurd to really take seriously, and as such I would, as stated above, class it as fine, just fine.

On a larger scale, I am concerned about SNW. 7 episodes into the series, and in my opinion the show has done little to extend on the premise to 'Seek out new worlds etc.'

Courtroom drama, two comedy episodes, one not terribly great time travel story, and a non event season opener, and a horror episode, leading to only one episode 'Among the Lotus Eaters' where really any 'Strange New World' was actually visited, and also an episode which I believe, to be the weakest of the season so far.

We have also had now, 3 episodes in a row which take place entirely on the ship (well around 95% of the episode at least).

In a large season run, I would consider most of the episodes of Season 2 broadcast so far as to be 'filler' episodes. Ok, but nothing special.

I think its a shame, especially because season 1 offered so much promise.
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It could be argued to not take "worlds" in the literal sense but more figuratively to mean the "new world" of no longer being persecuted (Una in ep 2), Spock embracing his human side, La'an finding love etc - no one (that I am aware of) complained about TUC not including enough visits to countries across Quo'nos but was instead about thwarting a coup and making peace

That aside, we have had new planets (Arguable but I could Rigel VII as new seeing as it was seen for 2 mins tops previously) in at least 3 of the episodes this season.

All in all, I'd say it is paying off on that title
 
JonnyQuest037 said:
I was never, not once, arguing against consequence in stories. I was arguing against the TNG filmmakers overstepping their bounds by wanting to destroy the Defiant.
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I don't agree. You have a crossover you work together to give it weight, not "don't break our toys. "
 
I'd have inflicted serious damage to the Defiant, left it adrift but heavily crippled and then the next DS9 episode set after the Battle of Sector 001 would see O'Brien and his engineering team laboring to fix the ship, all the while having us overhear Miles complaining about how powerful Borg weapons are and he wouldn't be taking this long if it had been Romulan or Cardassian weapons damage.

"Captain, the Defiant lost two dozen crewmembers in that battle. We almost lost the ship as well. This is gonna take a few more days."
 
JonnyQuest037 said:
I was never, not once, arguing against consequence in stories. I was arguing against the TNG filmmakers overstepping their bounds by wanting to destroy the Defiant.
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IDK, considering the really cheap way the DS9 Show Runners ultimately did it themselves; destroying it at the end of one episode only to bring it right back as another ship of the same class with dispensation given to rename it the Defiant, and then just taking it back out like nothing ever happened...
 
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fireproof78 said:
I don't agree. You have a crossover you work together to give it weight, not "don't break our toys. "
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First Contact wasn't a crossover, though. The Defiant in that movie was just a device to bring Worf into the story because Michael Dorn didn't want to miss out on making another TNG movie with his friends. So yes, it would be very bad form for them to destroy the Defiant and screw up DS9 just because they thought it was neat. That would be just as bad as if the DS9 crew decided to blow up the Enterprise instead of the USS Odyssey at the end of "The Jem'Hadar" just because they thought it would be cool.

Deciding to not break the toys that aren't yours to begin with isn't bad storytelling, it's just good manners.
 
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