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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Aside from 2014's "Guardians of the Galaxy", I'm not that impressed by his resume.

...and if GOTG or TSS are the measuring sticks some are using to sell his ability to make a Superman film, then that's not very promising. One would hope there's enough WB+D brass overseeing the production so it has its own voice and is not merely GOTG or TSS with Superman trappings.

A few reasons.

1. the DC "Extended" universe was what i consider a "false" name... it was truly more of a FILM universe. They completely blew their chance of making it an "extended" universe" by not incorporating the new CW TV shows. Had they done so, they could have had a whole lot of synergy early on (they DID do some cross marketing for a movie in the near end of the CW runs), and could have had a jump on Disney + / did it even better than Agents of SHIELD first season.

There were too many reasons the film division was not going to incorporate DC/CW into the films, starting with a quality issue. Even the best series (i.e., Black Lightning) were very hard-wired to speak its own unique storytelling and visual language to the degree that the series did not need to be pulled into a movie universe where its important messaging would have been lost in favor of the main conflict woven throughout the other films. Not that it would have been a completely impossible hurdle to overcome, but Black Lightning is the kind of superhero concept that breathes in its own world, hence the reason Cress Williams served no greater purpose in that CW "crisis" crossover.

2. No one is that invested in the DCEU anymore, anyway (certainly not corporate)

Well, they have two films yet to be released, and their performances might determine just how much of a "new" DCU will be developed.

Holy overblown passions, Batman!

No kidding.

well, that's Christopher, for you. But also, i think we should mention how at least with DC, they have shoved animation in such a narrow field. It isn't part of their movie releases, nor major live action TV shows (the way the CW and Max shows have been)... so the audience viewing them is so narrow.... even more narrow, to me, than those who read Star Trek novels are compared to those who watch the TV shows & movies.

hence the "gehttoization" (yeah, whatever, Christoppher)

Agreed with all of the above.

I think it has been clear that Zaslav had certain opinions that are the driving constraints or Gunn.

Zaslav made it clear that Superman should be a billion dollar movie...especially since Aquaman, who was considered a joke for many years, was in fact a billion dollar international movie. So if Aquaman can do it, surely Superman could.

It depends on the audience appetite for another Superman in general. Take Superman and Lois--its third year has been great, but as a TV series, its has never been "must see TV" with major ratings. In fact, the ratings are quite abysmal for a flagship IP closer to a century old than not. Moreover, its an isolated series--meaning existing outside of the rest of the CW series, so a viewer could focus only on all things Superman related, yet being Superman-centric was not enough, with the series now on the eve of a very truncated final season.

Also, i think Zaslav is the one who wanted Superman to be younger. So yet another restraint on Gunn. He is just trying to make something work within those parameters.

..if a younger Superman was not Gunn's idea (including any kind of character development one would expect to see for a younger Superman), for all anyone knows, he had to rewrite his story, probably removing anything featuring a more experienced Superman dealing with other heroes, which turns it into a different kind of film. Who knows?
 
So if this thing had actually been released, it would have been in a separate universe from the Nolan films?
Yep. Armie Hammer would have been Batman in the film. The rumor at the time was that Nolan didn't want the film to happen to keep focus on his Batman.
 
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679738500369772544


Xolo Maridueña announcing that he won’t be promoting #BlueBeetle due to the SAG Strike. It’s important to be on the right side of history.
"right side of history." --- for me, that is an "ugh".

I mean, Neville Chamberlain thought he was on the "right side of history".

And many on the "wrong side", other than a few scapegoats, rarely get any real punishments.

For Xolo, i doubt anyone will remember his announcement, or if he had decided to promote it anyway.

This movie is his chance to be able to grow as an actor (and have a future, possibly with the DCOU), but like most other things happening with the DCFU (especially Flash), this will be just the worst luck.

I really like him in CObra Kai, and was hoping that fanbase could help elevate him.
 
You know, I just realized, him announcing that he won't do promotion for the movie is actually him slipping in a tiny bit of promotion for the movie in without breaking the SAG-AFTRA rules.
 
Does a (hypothetical) bombing movie hurt his career more or ghe studio?
Honest question regarding him not being allowed to promote his movie and, in effect, his future as an actor in the guild that's supposed to protect him.
 
Does a (hypothetical) bombing movie hurt his career more or ghe studio?
Honest question regarding him not being allowed to promote his movie and, in effect, his future as an actor in the guild that's supposed to protect him.
Well at least the studio saves the cost of any promotion it was planning. That could be anywhere from 50 to 100 million dollars. And given how well DC movies have fared of late; that may be a better deal for WB.
 
Well at least the studio saves the cost of any promotion it was planning. That could be anywhere from 50 to 100 million dollars. And given how well DC movies have fared of late; that may be a better deal for WB.

Hmmm... then it seems that that specific rule may not be in the actor's best interest. But I could be reading this wrong.
 
At the end of the day, you can't make a rule for every possible eventuality.

In general, no promotion for a movie is going to hurt the studio a great deal. The situation the DC brand is currently in is far from normal. And lots of movies (most?) don't star brand new actors who are still struggling to get a real breakthrough which makes them far more vulnerable to a movie failing, either.

And even if the rule hypothetically doesn't hurt the studio on this specific movie, it still blocks promotion for *all* of their movies, which is a rather essential part of the union's leverage against the studios without which new actors like Xolo have no shot at negotiating even the slightest ghost of a fair contract.

Also, Xolo's career isn't a complete blank slate anyway. Everywhere I see people talking about this movie there are at least a few people constantly praising him for his work on Cobra Kai, which as I understand it was a pretty big hit. I doubt his career is even remotely in danger of ending either way. The worst case scenario is he can't climb as high as quickly. But Blue Beetle was never a guaranteed big help to his career, either, so it might not actually make much difference at all.
 
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I do like that they can’t go to premiers. That’s considered “work” for them. :)
 
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There is other promotion that isn't involving the actors actively. This would mean more focus on ads, trailers and billboards, courting journalists to write favorable articles about the movie, etc..

The Flash couldn't use its two biggest stars for promotion, Ezra Miller, obviously, and Michael Keaton who was already shooting Beetlejuice 2.
They were left with Sasha Calle, somebody who pretty much nobody was familiar with, and Michael Shannon, who talked about how unsatisfying working on The Flash was and how he didn't get the concept.
So the marketing department had to WORK HARDER and actually SPEND MORE due to the stars not being available to promote the movie, and had to compansate for that fact. That's probably the reason they spread those Tom Cruise reactions around, they probably had to spend some money on courting Cruise (who certainly isn't cheap), and then some more money on making sure journalists reported about it.
And that strategy still didn't work.

So, yeah, the actors not promoting the movie does hurt the studio a whole lot.
 
Hmmm... then it seems that that specific rule may not be in the actor's best interest. But I could be reading this wrong.

Striking means not working, period (at least, not working for the entities you're striking against). Not working is never in a worker's best interest. Being on strike is bad for workers, so it's something they only do when the conditions they work under are already bad enough that they have nothing left to lose. It's a necessary short-term sacrifice to try to change the system for the better in the long run.
 
Striking means not working, period (at least, not working for the entities you're striking against). Not working is never in a worker's best interest. Being on strike is bad for workers, so it's something they only do when the conditions they work under are already bad enough that they have nothing left to lose. It's a necessary short-term sacrifice to try to change the system for the better in the long run.

I think this puts it in the best context for me to help understand, thank you for that.
 
and Michael Shannon, who talked about how unsatisfying working on The Flash was and how he didn't get the concept.
I think he just didn't get why he was asked to return to the role since his character had been killed, but that was before he learned about the time travel/multiverse aspect of the plot. Or he was trying to be a bit humorous in an interview.
 
I think he just didn't get why he was asked to return to the role since his character had been killed, but that was before he learned about the time travel/multiverse aspect of the plot. Or he was trying to be a bit humorous in an interview.
Nah, he was very explicit about hating the script and having no character exploration or anything meaningful to do.
 
Nah, he was very explicit about hating the script and having no character exploration or anything meaningful to do.
But that's not the same thing as "didn't get the concept".

Fun fact: Before agreeing to return to the role, Shannon asked for Snyder's blessing.
 
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