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By the time DSC ends, I'll have gotten 95 episodes of what I really wanted from them (65 from DSC, 30 from PIC). Everything else is extra. I'm happy with that. I signed on for one show, not five. I got two. Well, I'll say three. Prodigy was a surprise. I didn't expect to be a fan of that one.

We'll see what the future brings.

EDITED TO ADD: I also got four different centuries out of the deal. The 21st (PIC S2), the 23rd, the turn of the 25th, and the 32nd. Not bad. And, as an added bonus, whenever the Hell "Calypso" takes place.
 
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Controversial Opinion:

Rooting for one segment of the franchise to "beat" another isn't particularly healthy or productive. I've seen a lot of it lately, and it makes me feel like Trek fandom is devolving into the immature ways of MCU and Star Wars fans. "I want this to fail just to stick it to <fans I don't agree with/ producers I don't like/ critics I hate / whatever else makes me feel vindicated in my own opinions> is really kind of petty.

couldn’t agree with this more. It feels like the pettiness, dismissiveness and outright hostility to people with differing opinions has really jumped up a notch (or 10) recently.
 
couldn’t agree with this more. It feels like the pettiness, dismissiveness and outright hostility to people with differing opinions has really jumped up a notch (or 10) recently.

Nothing new. People have beaten each other over the head for centuries over even the minutest differences in theology that had no practical life ramifications whatsoever.
 
Here is an opinion certain not to get me consensus: I would have been more happy if Star Trek: Picard had used the Excalibur class and the Resolute class from Star Trek Online as early 25th century heirs to the Constitution and Excelsior lineages over the canonical Constitution-III class and Excelsior-II class.

It looked best on the cover---I think someone here could do a better Excalibur
 
Nothing new. People have beaten each other over the head for centuries over even the minutest differences in theology that had no practical life ramifications whatsoever.
SNW vs. Picard/Legacy is basically the Kurtzman Era version of DS9 vs. VOY. So, basically, Phase 2 of Kurtzman Trek is just like Phase 2 of Berman Trek.

I weathered it once before, where back then I also had a preference for one over the other. Guess I'll just have to weather through it again. At least it's better than the Disco Sucks Rally.
 
1. That Riker is the most realistic human character arc in all Trek from TNG to PIC. Self assured youth-comforted entrance in adulthood-breaking out of comfort to real adulthood- accepting new less self interested priorities- sorrow loss and grief- return to joy with the perspective of age.

2. That Star Trek V is an awesome movie.

3. That it’s ok to like PIC, Discovery, SNW and TNG all at once.

4. That new, risky, change is good.

5. That revisiting old characters is good.

6. That T’Pol is super smug and puts less effort than Archer and Trip to bridge gaps.

7. That Deanna is actually a great character with some great scenes

8. That Lorca gets kind of a bum deal when he could have been just as bad but ended up in S31

9. That the new actor playing Spock has a face where without the beard his ears look HUGE. Like, half human? Half Ferengi more like it.

10. That McCoy is actually far smarter than Spock.
 
1. That Riker is the most realistic human character arc in all Trek from TNG to PIC. Self assured youth-comforted entrance in adulthood-breaking out of comfort to real adulthood- accepting new less self interested priorities- sorrow loss and grief- return to joy with the perspective of age.

2. That Star Trek V is an awesome movie.

3. That it’s ok to like PIC, Discovery, SNW and TNG all at once.

4. That new, risky, change is good.

5. That revisiting old characters is good.

6. That T’Pol is super smug and puts less effort than Archer and Trip to bridge gaps.

7. That Deanna is actually a great character with some great scenes

8. That Lorca gets kind of a bum deal when he could have been just as bad but ended up in S31

9. That the new actor playing Spock has a face where without the beard his ears look HUGE. Like, half human? Half Ferengi more like it.

10. That McCoy is actually far smarter than Spock.

I agree with most of this.

I'd say that McCoy is certainly more street smart and more intuitive than Spock. I'm not sure he's more intelligent. But, that's not what you said, either... ;)

I didn't mind Lorca's arc...but I liked him enough where I wish he had a redemption story or something more meaty...
 
Ranking the series would be very hard for me at this point. I LOVE DSC S1 and 2, but the last two seasons were not as good. I liked portions of PIC and other portions I thought were absolute trash, so I'd say it's basically "episode-to-episode" in the first 2 seasons (S2 was the worst of all streaming Trek), and then really good overall in the 3rd season. I like SNW, but I don't really love it...but I feel like at least it's consistently entertaining. I adored PRO, but there's not enough of it. And LD I don't find objectionable, but I also don't care one bit about it.

:shrug:
 
Ranking the series would be very hard for me at this point. I LOVE DSC S1 and 2, but the last two seasons were not as good. I liked portions of PIC and other portions I thought were absolute trash, so I'd say it's basically "episode-to-episode" in the first 2 seasons (S2 was the worst of all streaming Trek), and then really good overall in the 3rd season. I like SNW, but I don't really love it...but I feel like at least it's consistently entertaining. I adored PRO, but there's not enough of it. And LD I don't find objectionable, but I also don't care one bit about it.

:shrug:
Rank the series based on their best seasons. Like what would be the best, collectively solid seasons of the respective series. My favorite seasons from the respective series and how I would rank them:

1. DS9 - Season 5
2. TNG - Season 3
3. TOS - Season 1
4. PIC - Season 3
5. ENT - Season 3
6. SNW - Season 1
7. LD - Season 2
8. PRO - Season 1
9. VOY - Season 4
10. DSC - Season 2

*It's been so long since I've watched TAS, and I can't remember if I've seen enough of it to have an opinion about it lol.
 
SNW is the best Trek series of the streaming era, followed by LDS.

My opinion...
1. Strange New Worlds. Despite the occasional weak episodes, this is a very strong show with arguably Trek's most charismatic lead. It effortlessly combines TOS's spirit, TNG's intelligence, DS9's character development, and modern special effects.
2. Prodigy. Ever wonder how good Kate Mulgrew could be in a competently run Trek show? Here you go. This effort manages to be kid-friendly but eminently Trek, and it's tragic that it didn't find its audience. It finishes second, but it's a close second.
3. Lower Decks. It runs like a fanfiction parody, but its saving grace is that the fictioneer had a genuine love for the fandom. Maybe be uneven at times, but its heart is in the right place.
4. Short Treks. They're over quickly, but they don't overstay their welcome, and come up with some really neat ideas.
5. Picard. This series really had its ups and downs... one thing I will say for it was that at the end of each season, it tried to leave us in a good place, and usually succeeded.
6. Discovery. I absolutely reject the notion that DIS is not "real" Trek. It most assuredly is. It's just not my choice of Trek.
 
I like Season 3 of PIC, I'm just more baffled that it features almost all of the same issues some folks complain about in other Kurtzman era shows, but those are rendered moot simply by featuring the TNG cast. Maybe those people need to be honest with themselves and admit their perceived issues didn't actually matter and the true complaint is they don't care about Picard as a character unless he's surrounded by Riker, Data et al.
Some fans will forgive almost anything as long as it tickles their nostalgia buttons.
Well, my response was that anything that wasn't "Oh! Remember THIS?" from Pic (esp. 3) was quite often hot garbage.
I wouldn't disagree with that. All three seasons of PIC had disappointing endings, IMO, but S3 coasted on getting the band back together. The first season of DSC had a bad ending too. (I'm rewatching the 2nd season of DSC now, as I never saw the last 2-3 episodes of the season before. We'll see if that ends well. I don't have high hopes, as I'm still not interested in the Red Angel mystery.)
I don't think Icheb's death or presence was really necessary for the Season 1 narrative of "PICARD" in the first place.
Icheb was introduced long after I stopped watching VOY, so the only reason I knew the character's name in the first place was because he gave Janeway a book report that established that Kirk's 5YM ended in 2270.

My reaction to Icheb's death was twofold:

1) Anger at TrekCore because they spoiled his death on Twitter the night that episode first streamed. (I unfollowed them for that), and:

2) Being really grossed out because I was eating pasta when suddenly I'm watching a dude's eye get gouged out. :barf2:
I trust that people felt the same about Rene Picard after "Family" when Generations came around, correct?
I WISH GEN had broken our hearts about Rene and Robert's deaths. Having them die offscreen and Picard just getting a subspace message about it was the least interesting way to present their deaths. Have Picard travel to the moment of their deaths and fail to save them, so we can get a sense of what is driving him and what he has to give up to defeat Soran.
That's like saying nobody gave a fuck about Naomi Wildman or whoever...
Present! ;)
Jason Todd was beaten to death with a crowbar by the Joker.
Now THAT I was upset about, but mainly out of fondness for the versions of Jason Todd that Doug Moench and Mike W. Barr wrote rather than the annoying punk Jim Starlin turned him into. (For the record, I like Jim Starlin as a person, and he's a very pleasant interview, but I think he was a crappy Batman writer.)
I didn't miss Jason that much (as interesting as having a delinquent Robin was), but I did love how it drove Batman afterwards.
I hated that too. It just made him a one-dimensional angry guy all the time. I liked the Pre-Crisis Batman who would scare criminals but drop the act around his friends like Alfred, Gordon, Robin, and the JLA. But that guy is long gone and probably isn't ever coming back.
Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae. Open your mind! Be a 'Star Trek' fan and open your mind and say, 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now'.
Damn, Nimoy got it.
When fans talk about "unaltered past" they don't usually give a toss about the characters. If the NCC numbers match their 1974 Star Fleet Technical Manual, the Hull design is in line with their 1994 TNG Technical Manual and the ship has a big wraparound TV instead of a window they'll be okay with it.
Somewhere, James Dixon's ears are burning. ;)
 
My opinion...
1. Strange New Worlds. Despite the occasional weak episodes, this is a very strong show with arguably Trek's most charismatic lead. It effortlessly combines TOS's spirit, TNG's intelligence, DS9's character development, and modern special effects.
2. Prodigy. Ever wonder how good Kate Mulgrew could be in a competently run Trek show? Here you go. This effort manages to be kid-friendly but eminently Trek, and it's tragic that it didn't find its audience. It finishes second, but it's a close second.
3. Lower Decks. It runs like a fanfiction parody, but its saving grace is that the fictioneer had a genuine love for the fandom. Maybe be uneven at times, but its heart is in the right place.
4. Short Treks. They're over quickly, but they don't overstay their welcome, and come up with some really neat ideas.
5. Picard. This series really had its ups and downs... one thing I will say for it was that at the end of each season, it tried to leave us in a good place, and usually succeeded.
6. Discovery. I absolutely reject the notion that DIS is not "real" Trek. It most assuredly is. It's just not my choice of Trek.

Really good points. Especially love your analysis of SNW and how it combines the best of other shows. Spot on.
 
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