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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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+ The series are very short. Which means that the amount filmed is not that big of a difference from 2:00 to 2:30 hour movie at six episodes to begin with.

That's provably wrong. Adding up the runtimes listed on the D+ menu pages (and not adjusting for the long credit sequences and dub credits), Ms. Marvel's total runtime is 4 hours, 49 minutes. Moon Knight's is 5:03. Hawkeye's is 4:57. Falcon/Winter Soldier's is 5:30. They're all close to twice the runtime of a typical movie. I'd say that one hundred percent more content is plenty significant.


+ The pacing for the series have generally been extremely breakneck and then suddenly slow down for unnecessary plots because they are paced like the MCU then filler is added.

Which reinforces my point that they should be longer, not shorter. Fleshing out characters and worldbuilding is not "unnecessary," it's what makes series TV superior to movies. Action is just one flavor of storytelling. It shouldn't be the exclusive focus.


+ Disney+ is actually a far more limited audience than movie theaters and far less people are going to be able to see Moon Knight or Ms. Marvel than movies that can be seen on DVDs (they still exist), in theaters, or other movie services. This also hurts the MCU as a whole for anyone who didn't see Wanda Vision and is wondering why Wanda suddenly has kids now she's obsessed with.

That doesn't mean the shows should be movies, it just means Disney should put the damn things on physical media. The problem isn't with the shows, it's with streaming culture in general.


+ I feel these particular projects would have benefited from the movie touch.

And I've explained why I reject the belief that movies are in any way, shape, or form superior to television, except in terms of budget and spectacle.


A lot of people felt Falcon and the WInter Soldier would have been more enjoyable if it hadn't had time to ruminate on its shallow politics.

And I'm sure a lot of other people think otherwise. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. Opinions are just opinions no matter how many people hold them.


+ Financially, streaming just isn't nearly as lucrative as Disney has wanted it to be and the current model is forcing people to stay subscribed to keep up witrh content - which is bad for both the provider and the viewer.

Again, this is not an argument against making television series, it's an argument for reforming streaming culture to make the shows more widely available (and pay the writers their damn residuals).
 
Personally, I would prefer Marvel/Disney+ cut back a bit on its release schedule.

Release two movies a year - one in the summer and one during the holiday season and two tv streaming series 10-12 episodes long, one in the Fall, one in the Spring.

This would give the writers a chance to work on/"fine tune" the scripts, the FX houses time to make the effects look good and just make the quality of the product better.
 
And? I still enjoyed them, found them special and talked about them the day after with fans.

Strikes me as pretty darn special.

And even if not, who cares? Not everything has to be special.

Well, we were bound to agree about something. Yup, fuck being "special" to watch. Special comes from the experience not a drought of content.



In literally 4 years, The Star Wars brand went from "Biggest movie of all time!" to "literally cancelling all future movies because the movies are no longer turning profit." In 4 years. It was a short term boom, but they would have won out more in the long run if they had decided to pace the movies out over years, instead of, and I am quoting a Disney exec at the time, vowing “There will be a Star Wars movie every year until the day you die, you will not live to see the last Star Wars movie.”

https://www.wired.com/2015/11/building-the-star-wars-universe/


Star Wars is a special commodity that existed only as a trilogy for a long time, then as two, there was never a public desire for an endless stream of Star Wars content.
 
In literally 4 years, The Star Wars brand went from "Biggest movie of all time!" to "literally cancelling all future movies because the movies are no longer turning profit."

Eh, that's more or less how it went with the OT. Within 5 years the whole thing just stopped after ROTJ.
 
How much is normal for residuals for writer on a show like that? I thought residuals were small checks people got years or decades after it aired, when it was reshown in repeats or syndication enough times.

On the contrary, residuals used to be substantial enough that they were the main way people in the industry managed to survive between jobs, since work in film/TV is always intermittent. They may have been small per episode, but with dozens or hundreds of episodes being rerun or sold on video continuously, they could add up to a decent, steady living, and many writers depended on them as their primary source of consistent income. They're not an expendable bonus, they're an integral part of a writer's contracted compensation for their work. As long as the work is out there earning a profit for its owners and distributors, the writers are entitled to a cut of that profit.

The whole reason this strike is necessary is because the streamers changed the model to greatly reduce the residuals writers get -- among other changes, there are far fewer episodes per series, they aren't available anywhere except the streaming service, and now they're pulling underperforming shows from the streamers and burying them entirely so that the writers get nothing.
 
In an effort to fill the void due to the writers/actors strike, ABC will be airing the first three episodes of 'Ms. Marvel' on August 5th and the last three episodes on the 12th.
 
Given it was the lowest viewed of Disney+, it's good that it's being shared with a larger audience.
I would agree with opening it up (like I think a whole lot of people have now gotten to know and appreciate Strange New Worlds with the YouTube time).

And this might have been planned before the strike.. but i would agree it would make more sense to do once a week..m maybe if ratings are decent they will do it again in anticipation of the Marvels movie.
 
This is probably the best thing to happen for Deadpool 3.

They were probably already planing for longer than normal extra shooting once the writers strike ended to put in all the ad-libs.

I'm guessing 'The Marvels' will move to next May and DP to Cap 4's slot. (Assuming the strikes don't drag on more than a few months.)
 
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