Did Pike have an Epiphany??
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Do you suppose when his teacher was teaching him how to ride a Horse he said "Anson" pointed at the Horse and said "mount"?
Cage Pike was in a bad mood after a recent mission. The Pike we see in Disco and SNW has had time to deal with those issues and has resumed his more normal disposition.
Perhaps a little Bruce Greenwood too. That is when the Disco writers were writing Pike before Anson Mount was cast they were clearly drawing more from the Bruce Greenwood version of the character than they were the Jeffrey Hunter version.
He dealt with trauma.
We saw him once. Hard to get a read from that one appearance And he was having a bad day.
Bruce Greenwood? Bruce actually played Pike as a hard-ass;
Taking a lot of cues from Jeffrey Hunter's approach. Wasn't afraid to yell at his officers and dress them down.
Anson's Pike is a complete 180 from how the character was portrayed previously.
Intentional by the Discovery writers, who didn't want to have him barking orders at the crew in a militaristic fashion. They did that with Lorca, and then revealed him as an evil villain, killed brutally as a result.
So now we have Anson's Pike cooking for his crew and washing their dishes.
I did enjoy seeing Anson playing Pike with a lot more edge this week. That should happen more often. If you've seen Hell on Wheels, that type of character is where Anson really delivers.
Taking a lot of cues from Jeffrey Hunter's approach. Wasn't afraid to yell at his officers and dress them down.
Anson's Pike is a complete 180 from how the character was portrayed previously.
Intentional by the Discovery writers, who didn't want to have him barking orders at the crew in a militaristic fashion. They did that with Lorca, and then revealed him as an evil villain, killed brutally as a result.
So now we have Anson's Pike cooking for his crew and washing their dishes.
I did enjoy seeing Anson playing Pike with a lot more edge this week. That should happen more often. If you've seen Hell on Wheels, that type of character is where Anson really delivers.
Mount is fine as is.
The man has a ticking clock over his head. He is no longer saddled with just the burden of 200+ lives, but now knows his own fate. That is going to change someone, and possibly for the better. As others have noted, Pike didn't see past the accident; just his future of pain due to him living according to his principals.
And Greenwood Pike could have the dad touch as well, as he often showed to Kirk. Mount's Pike is heading towards that side because he doesn't get a long time with these people.
The man has a ticking clock over his head. He is no longer saddled with just the burden of 200+ lives, but now knows his own fate. That is going to change someone, and possibly for the better. As others have noted, Pike didn't see past the accident; just his future of pain due to him living according to his principals.
And Greenwood Pike could have the dad touch as well, as he often showed to Kirk. Mount's Pike is heading towards that side because he doesn't get a long time with these people.
The hilarious thing is that recent episodes have Pike guilty of doing the very thing (if not worse) than what Kelvin Pike is yelling at Kelvin Kirk about.
Just out of curiosity, why would the loss of the Kelvin have such an impact on Pike? He wrote about it, that seemed to be his only connection to it on film. Ships get destroyed all the time in Star Trek.
More likely, the ST09 writers and producers saw Jeffrey Hunter's take on Pike and kept that 'hardass' personality with Greenwood. He even called Starfleet an 'armada' and wanted Kirk to 'enlist.'
And the Discovery writers may have felt a militaristic character like that may have been too reminiscent of Lorca's 'toxic masculinity.' Gone against the feminist approach to the series.
Greenwood's a good actor.
Mount's Pike blows Greenwood's off the screen. In fact I find it a lot harder to enjoy the Abrams movie characters in general now, and I used to like them quite a lot. I feel like it's a case of everyone - writers, director, actors - doing so very little with so much. Abrams was so intent on making a successful action movie that he reduced characters to the Action Hero schematic, with little nuance or sophistication.
Oh, AbramsPike is a "hard-ass?" Wowie-zowie, gimme another can of that Red Bull and burn me a steak.
Bor-ing.
Greenwood played a minor action hero; Mount plays a man.
Mount's Pike blows Greenwood's off the screen. In fact I find it a lot harder to enjoy the Abrams movie characters in general now, and I used to like them quite a lot. I feel like it's a case of everyone - writers, director, actors - doing so very little with so much. Abrams was so intent on making a successful action movie that he reduced characters to the Action Hero schematic, with little nuance or sophistication.
Oh, AbramsPike is a "hard-ass?" Wowie-zowie, gimme another can of that Red Bull and burn me a steak.
Bor-ing.
Greenwood played a minor action hero; Mount plays a man.
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Well, he did call the Federation a "humanitarian and peacekeeping armada" which is actually in keeping with the sensibility of the US NAVY at the time; "A global force for good" was one slogan.
It's not just the specific Kelvin but the extreme destruction that happened, the Romulans popping up out of nowhere with a massive ship, and wrecking their ship. It signaled the possible return to war with the Romulans, urging a greater stance towards military strategy and analyzing the attack. It would set a whole new tonal shift for the Fleet, including Pike.
Yeah. Not only would it have a massive ripple effect to the culture within Starfleet, can you imagine what the news cycle would have been like on Earth for months after?
I often liken it to if a modern day Japanese warship showed up in the past 15 years post WW2 and destroyed a US Navy vessel. There would be panic, and preparation for war, and trying to figure out if the attack is coming from Japan, from another state, how did they get that high level of technology, and what do we do about it?
This isn't just some random monster of the week; this is an identified Romulan ship which was a previously belligerent power against Earth and its allies. It's not going to go well.
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