Kirk drift—misremembering a character…
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Practically every fucking thing. There is not one shred of credibility in anything they do on that show. Just like PIC, just like DSC, just like JJtrek.
I disliked ENT, but it’s freakin’ rocket science compared to what Trek has been since 2009.
Indeed. It's why I refuse to compare TOS over any other series. A series stands or falls on its own. TNG is much more enjoyable if I don't look at TOS, and DS9 against TNG. Fools errand.
TOS is always my favorite buy it is not the only game in town.
No offense but that doesn't really explain anything to me
Tbh I agree about not comparing in general but DS9 and TNG are good even compared to TOS
Star Trek since 2009 has been like the YA genre, which is short for young adult fiction. It is not written for savvy grownups who know how the world works, and who have little patience for teenage antics.
Important characters in new-Trek are often not emotionally mature, fully formed people. For instance, compared to the TOS version, JJ-Spock was an impulsive horndog. Worse: SNW-Spock apparently never met a young woman who was not infinitely his superior— wiser, cooler, hip to everything, and more experienced than Spock.
Why is that? How did Uhura, the boy-haircut helmswoman, Chapel, and "Michael" Burnham get so far ahead of him in life, that he is a child by comparison?
And why do the writers want it that way? It just feels like it's being written for teenagers, if not by teenagers, and one of their goals is to rub my nose in their social ideology. Well, I decide what to do with my money, and I'm not buying this stuff. YMMV.
Grownups would respect an actress appearance and not call her hair a boy cut
I don't like the excessive emotionality of DSC but saying it's YA comes off as condescending. No offense but I don't like the attitude of your post towards female characters.
Yeah, I know. But DSC and SNW have an attitude toward male characters. Anson Mount even said somewhere that his Pike was intentionally shed of the old one's "toxic masculinity." Not that I want to spend time with TOS Pike or I think he was great, he wasn't. But the jab against him was hardly gender-neutral.
Anyway, I've said my piece, and that's probably enough.
*Sigh* Can we stick to the topic at hand? Kirk's character? I'm so tired of every conversation on the internet devolving into angry handwringing about ~wokeness~ or whatever. I haven't watched any of the new shows so can't comment on their quality, but I have a hard time thinking someone complaining about Uhura's 'boy haircut' is engaging in good faith criticism.
Not to digress, but it was a reference to the helm person's horrible, side-shaved haircut. I said nothing about Uhura's hair, and I don't feel deeply qualified to knock black women's hairstyles in general.
And you're right about this thread going off the rails. Still worth saving, though.
I'll keep it to Disco / SNW:
He IS a child compared to Michael. There is a significant age difference. She was in prison before he ever got a chance to steal a starship.
Uhura is a cadet. He is the ship's science officer and has offered her professional and personal advice. He is clearly her superior in rank and experience.
Erica Ortegas: Is more of a contemporary to the pointy eared guy with the bowl cut. But she has the helm and he's the science officer.
Where are you getting that all of these people are ahead of Spock? The three people who are professionally and socially "ahead" of Spock are all of the people who arguably should be. CAPTAIN Pike, FIRST OFFICER Una Chin-Riley and CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER Joseph M'Benga. All of whom Spock considers to be mentors and friends.
I certainly consider myself on the conservative / traditional end of the political spectrum but I also think Christopher Pike is the manliest man on television right now.
Apologies, I misread! There is a lot of weird racist, misogynistic rhetoric around Uhura's hair going around so I got defensive. Still think pointing out gender nonconformity in appearance as a negative is...not nice for a whole bunch of reasons, but hey.
The critique video I saw on youtube may have cherry-picked some scenes and given a slanted impression. I haven't actually seen SNW as such. I honestly don't know how much I'd hate it if I watched it. The fx and production design look fantastic.
Well said.
I want to stay on topic but it's hard to ignore the unnecessary anti-wokeness. Any ideal ST universe would've moved past all these outdated beliefs.
Anyways, Idk what's left to discuss about the OP topic but I'm more open to that than all the Star Trek is too woke nonsense
Anyways, Idk what's left to discuss about the OP topic but I'm more open to that than all the Star Trek is too woke nonsense
Well, then maybe you shouldn't go on ignorant rants like this about a show you've never bothered to watch:
I keep thinking about getting it myself.
It’s the opposite of Picard’s.
And the Romulans! Don't forget their love of the conformist look. So conformist that Picard and Data through it on as part of their disguises.
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