Given that both the stories listed for animation are directed by Julia Smith I guess that might be the reason; deal with her heirs, notes she made...
Possible list of Found Episodes leaked
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I remember Jackie Vernon, one of those sad-sack comedians used to say:
"Nobody likes me. Dale Carnegie once punched me in the nose."
Sounds like that same class as Rodney Dangerfield.
A question I asked a few years back was which would you prefer, one episode from each totally missing story, or the same number to complete part missing stories.At least the ocassionally-mentioned "The Tenth Planet 4" isn't included in the list, nor are other fan-favorite stories as low-hanging fruit.
Even if someone had films in a basement or attic - those will not lose value just because they were digitized and repaired. The actual artifact is 100% unique and irreplaceable. Real history. Any one of us has probably bought a recreation of some piece of pottery circa ancient Rome, or even a calendar with a crisp 35mm print of said pottery (with all the fun bits showing and all!). The actual piece in the museum didn't lose any value as a result of photos or replicas made. Why would it be any different for a piece of film?
Ditto for the filmed inserts for "The Two Doctors", held by a private collector and likely for the same cause and reason*, who refused to lend them out to be digitized for the blu-ray release.Whether they actually still exist or not, however...
* correlation not always being related to causation, but that's a given
It's interesting that the episodes in question are predominantly from the latter half of the historical range, plus "The Space Pirates".
The following links go to articles where said episodes were sold to:
https://broadwcast.org/index.php/William_Hartnell_stories
https://broadwcast.org/index.php/Patrick_Troughton_stories
Since not all films would be duly returned, some were abandoned, some taken by collectors, some junked in their destination countries (but possibly a dumpster diver found something cool and kept it), or so on. Even those that were returned and dumpstered could easily have been saved by a private collector.
IMHO, Galaxy 4, Highlanders, and The Space Pirates hold the most potential interest.
I've a feeling "The Space Pirates" has a bad reputation because the sole episode in known existence is a bit rubbish (even with one lazy visual effect, where getting the polarity of the large magnets wrong hurls the base's segment in the wrong direction (toward and through the others, not the other way, oops.) The Enemy of the World and The Underwater Menace both had reputations of being rubbish until other episodes were found and returned. Both their respective part 3s were clearly filler and padding; the newly-recovered episodes of those stories containing actual plot build-up and character development and were surprisingly marvelous and a joy to see.
Galaxy 4 ep 3 shouldn't have been as entertaining as it was, but it works...
Highlanders remains a curiosity.
Really not sure myself.
I'd prefer completion. Yeah, you could fill in the gaps with animated episodes, but, unfortunately, those have been hit or miss as of late.
Whereas my entire opinion of Enemy of the World completely changed from largely disliked (based on a fan construction) to becoming one of my favorite Troughton serials. I credit a lot of that to being able to see the entire serial as it was originally intended, which allowed us to appreciate the nuances of Troughton's five different performances properly.
Whereas my entire opinion of Enemy of the World completely changed from largely disliked (based on a fan construction) to becoming one of my favorite Troughton serials. I credit a lot of that to being able to see the entire serial as it was originally intended, which allowed us to appreciate the nuances of Troughton's five different performances properly.
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I'd actually quite like a chunk of The Space Pirates back. It'd make for a nearly complete Season 6.
The list is most likely garbage, but I can dream.
@Rich Watson
The comment you quoted wasn't abuse, but the way you replied was certainly abusive.
The list is most likely garbage, but I can dream.
@Rich Watson
The comment you quoted wasn't abuse, but the way you replied was certainly abusive.
I'd be intrigued to see some of Macra Terror. Friends who were old enough to see it recall it being odd and worrying in a way the animation isn't.
One episode from each missing story. Some of the stories in question ('The Myth Makers' and 'The Massacre' in particular) have few-to-no surviving offscreen photos or telesnaps at all, meaning all you really have to work from animation-wise are the scripts, the soundtrack and non-DW photos of the guest actors involved. With an orphan episode you at least have some sets, costumes and a bit of acting performance to look at, and can extrapolate the rest from there.
Yeah. Some missing stories can be implied from surviving episodes by the same director, but myth makers, Macra Terror and Highlanders/Fury are all lost directors.
I'm out of the loop, but it was my understanding that after Galaxy 4 the animations are dead in the water?
Honestly, I don't know. Not the first time I've heard that and then we got more animations. Minds are fickle and the calculations change, so who even knows anymore?
Officially, yes. But as noted, they've said on multiple occasions that there will be no more animated reconstructions only for more reconstructions to happen. So while there might not be any reason to expect any new animated reconstructions at the moment, I'm not going to be surprised when a new one does get announced.
Last I heard was that BBC America stopped co-financing these animated reconstructions. BBC Studios said it won't make any more until it secures other funding. I haven't heard of any additional funding being secured. So, the wait continues.
The Abominable Snowmen was the last animated reconstruction.
The Abominable Snowmen was the last animated reconstruction.
So it was! My mistake!
We should have had more Hartnell stuff I think. I would have loved DMP or Marco Polo animated.
Oh boy, I was so disappointed when the hiatus was announced. I loved the animated reconstructions. It felt like we were able to watch stories that it didn't seem like we'd be able to see. And they were so close to completing some seasons as well.
I continue to hope that someone else will fund them.
Possibly the coloured version seems less threatening than monochrome? However, this story didn't induce me to hide behind the sofa in the 60s. I found the cybermen way more existentially terrifying - even than the daleks.
Watching the animations in colour is just all kinds of wrong wrong wrong.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy watching the animated versions in color. That said, I do agree having them in black and white is a better fit for the stories, stylistically. I remember around the time Power of the Daleks was released, there was a screening of the black and white version at the theatres. It definitely looked better than the color version did.
Last I heard Smugglers and Underwater Menace are underway. Don't know where the funding has come from now BBC America is out.
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