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Spoilers Black Mirror - Season 6

^I suppose what we don't know is whether they're being fired immediately, or given notice but put immediately on gardening leave for the duration of that notice period?
I had to google it (I didn't know this term) and usually it applies to high-ranking executive, and in any case, I don't know how it applies here. In the context of the show she was simply an employee who was working on something the board deemed useless and so was "let go".
 
It doesn't just apply to high ranking executives, it can be anyone whose work may be deemed sensitive, or who may have access to commercially sensitive information, or who could come into possession of such information during their notice period.
 
It doesn't just apply to high ranking executives, it can be anyone whose work may be deemed sensitive, or who may have access to commercially sensitive information, or who could come into possession of such information during their notice period.
Honestly, if that were the case, they would have told her right away to sugar the pill right?
 
I'm watching the episode 1 and, as an European, the most shocking thing until now is how simple and fast is firing someone in the US, ruining their life.

But American companies complain when employees don't give two weeks notice, accusing them of being unprofessional and of not understanding what damage they are doing to the company.

I hold on to my "socialist dystopia".
Some of it depends on what state you live in. I live in Georgia which is a "Right To Work State", that means that you can be fired for any reason and they don't even have to tell you why. They also cripple the unions so even they can't protect you. I got laid off from an office job at a construction site about 7 years ago and they just come and get you, then have security follow you out. I was unemployed for months because I couldn't get a similar job. Hooray for "freedom" of capitalism.
 
Watched the whole season over the weekend with my girlfriend and I loved all of it. "Beyond the Sea" and "Loch Henry" were my favorites (which isn't a surprise considering they my most anticipated episodes) while hers was "Joan is Awful." We're both not big horror fans but "Demon 79" was on the right side of the edge for me, complete with 70s horror film vibes. "Mazey Day" felt fairly typical despite its surprising twist, but Zazie Beetz did an excellent job carrying the whole thing.

"Beyond the Sea" is a classic sci-fi story that did a great job in combining and balancing existential horror and real horror. That said, I'm eternally grateful that we didn't actually see any of the murders (especially of the children), just the bloody messes. The whole cast is terrific but Aaron Paul is absolutely mesmerizing in his dual roles and hopefully he gets recognition during the awards season. He certainly had plenty of experience performing a miserable, tortured soul thanks to Breaking Bad (and dual roles thanks to Westworld!), but these two roles were significantly different from Jesse Pinkman and the story is better for it. I know it's beside the point, but I was left with the lingering thought about how Cliff could explain the murder of his family to NASA. Is there anyway to prove which mind was in the replica, and if so, why wasn't NASA monitoring that situation after the murder of David's family? Not a big deal either way, but those thoughts stuck with me long after the episode.

"Loch Henry", in turn, felt like a classic Black Mirror episode old. Not just the United Kingdom setting and the technology twist (albeit vintage instead of advanced), but also the largely remote, even claustrophobic feeling of the whole story. Despite the obvious found-footage horror parallels, my mind kept thinking back to those early Black Mirror episodes and I loved the show was able to return to its roots in that manner. Even though I knew another shoe was going to drop, especially with the presence of John Hannah lurking in the background, it still wasn't what I expected (yeah, I was fooled by the obvious red herring). While "Hated in a Nation" remains my favorite and "San Junipero" remains the gold standard, I do hope that, if we get more seasons, the show continues to return to its roots like "Loch Henry" did.

"Joan is Awful" is also a classic episode with its heavy commentary on technology (maybe even heavy-handed but I don't mind), combining the dual issues of phone surveillance and streaming proliferation (as well as Booker's recurring theme of exploited sentient AI). Kudos to Netflix for letting the show being so blunt about Netflix itself but I imagine they realized that it probably won't matter ultimately. And while those themes are the obvious crux of the episode, I have to admit that I was completely drawn in by all of the stunt and layered casting. I was particularly amused by Lolly Adefope and Wunmi Mosaku's casting as Joan's lawyer because I initially confused the two when I first started noticing their respective works (Miracle Workers for Adefope and Luther and Loki for Mosaku, although I actually first saw them in QI...and Black Mirror, respectively).

I'm watching the episode 1 and, as an European, the most shocking thing until now is how simple and fast is firing someone in the US, ruining their life.

But American companies complain when employees don't give two weeks notice, accusing them of being unprofessional and of not understanding what damage they are doing to the company.

I hold on to my "socialist dystopia".
Some of it depends on what state you live in. I live in Georgia which is a "Right To Work State", that means that you can be fired for any reason and they don't even have to tell you why. They also cripple the unions so even they can't protect you. I got laid off from an office job at a construction site about 7 years ago and they just come and get you, then have security follow you out. I was unemployed for months because I couldn't get a similar job. Hooray for "freedom" of capitalism.
Yuuuup. I recently experienced the same thing (in Georgia, too, although it was a federal job) and you're right, Skipper, that hypocrisy is pretty damn maddening.
 
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Just watched Beyond the Sea and every so slightly annoyed! I'm grateful it didn't go for the pat "she was with the wrong man all along" trope but seriously what was the point? Plus the length meant every plot hole had time to ruminate in my head, and there were a lot of logic failings here.

Why was it set in 1969? It can't just have been so Brooker could throw some Sub-Mason shit in there? Was it to portray Kate Mara's character as the agency-less 60s housewife? Frankly both of those things could have worked just as well if it had been set in 2050 with a bit of tinkering (some women still find themselves in those kind of relationships and there are plenty of nutters around today)

What was their mission? It was apparently hugely important, but why? And why did NASA just send two guys? Where's the redundancy? Two men on a six year mission and apparently neither of them could do the other guy's job? :brickwall:

How does NASA have robots, mind transference and anti-gravity in 1969? And why'd they let the astronauts just mosey around town like it's normal? I get the summer of love/everything changes angle but surely there were still huge risks? What about the Russians, or accidents? And where were NASA? We never saw anyone, all that tech and apparently they don't even have a clue that one man's mind was popping into another man's robot body?

Don't get me wrong, the three leads were excellent, it just left me frustrated in a way Joan is Awful and Loch Henry didn't.
 
Watched all eps now; my personal ranking:

Joan is Awful
Beyond the Sea
Loch Henry
Demon 79
Mazey Day

Joan is Awful: This was Black Mirror doing what it does best. Zany off-the-wall concept that actually has a reasonable explanation behind it that was not obvious (at least not to me - I should have realized what was going on, but I didn't) but is intensely topical, pertains to ongoing debates, etc. And the multi-layered narrative was pristine. Meta done right. Loved it.

Beyond the Sea: This one took some suspension of disbelief. Where was mission control in all this?? But a great concept wonderfully executed. Aaron Paul's got some range!

Loch Henry: Well done, but just not really my genre of story.

Demon 79: Also not really my type of story, but at least it was telegraphed from the get-go that this would be a departure from what we'd expect from Black Mirror (I mean, it was Red Mirror and all that). So it didn't bug me that much. And also really well done.

Mazey Day: Hate to sound like that kind of nerd, but the genre betrayal of this one just bugged me. The twist was already pretty damn lame, but in the context of a show which has always built its narratives around the dangers of (human relations towards) technology, "starlet is a werewolf" just had me groaning in annoyance.

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I guess one masterpiece, three good episodes, and one stinker .. not bad!
 
Just watched Beyond the Sea and every so slightly annoyed! I'm grateful it didn't go for the pat "she was with the wrong man all along" trope but seriously what was the point? Plus the length meant every plot hole had time to ruminate in my head, and there were a lot of logic failings here.

Why was it set in 1969? It can't just have been so Brooker could throw some Sub-Mason shit in there? Was it to portray Kate Mara's character as the agency-less 60s housewife? Frankly both of those things could have worked just as well if it had been set in 2050 with a bit of tinkering (some women still find themselves in those kind of relationships and there are plenty of nutters around today)

What was their mission? It was apparently hugely important, but why? And why did NASA just send two guys? Where's the redundancy? Two men on a six year mission and apparently neither of them could do the other guy's job? :brickwall:

How does NASA have robots, mind transference and anti-gravity in 1969? And why'd they let the astronauts just mosey around town like it's normal? I get the summer of love/everything changes angle but surely there were still huge risks? What about the Russians, or accidents? And where were NASA? We never saw anyone, all that tech and apparently they don't even have a clue that one man's mind was popping into another man's robot body?

Don't get me wrong, the three leads were excellent, it just left me frustrated in a way Joan is Awful and Loch Henry didn't.
And what didn't he call for help, interested of returning in his replica?
 
Have seen them all now and my rankings are as follows;

1. Loch Henry
2. Demon 79
3. Joan is Awful
4. Beyond the Sea
5. Mazey Day

To be honest there isn't much between Loch Henry and Demon 79. Loved the Hammer aesthetic of Demon 79, genuinely thought the clock would tick over to midnight and nothing would happen but it would be revealed that the politician had died of his wounds just before 12!

Mazey Day I might have liked more if I hadn't been spoiled over the werewolf, not sure if I'd have figured it out (European woods, blood, the full moon etc so I might have) it felt very slight though, for all the issues I have with Beyond the Sea it had heft and ambition, Mazey Day felt flimsy, had the feel of "We need at least five episodes, Charlie". What was it about? Paparazzi are awful? It was still diverting enough though.
 
Just watched Loch Henry and fuck me that was good. I saw where it was heading but if anything that just made it more harrowing!

So that's two that have been very Meta about Netflix, are they all going to be like that? I can't figure out if I think it's really clever or ever so slightly too clever for it's own good, but if the other three episodes are as well made as the first two I might not care.

Daft question but do people know if you have to watch them in order? Is there some kind of linking theme or doesn't it matter?
Don't think so, each episode is stand alone (though there are often passing references to other episodes: news scrolls or roadsigns). Some have suggested that season six works better in reverse order.
 
Joan is Awful - Good fun. The layer of unreality meant they could turn it into an outright comedy in the second half, with Salma Hayek talking about the rights of her anus and such. Michael Cera was funny. Enjoyable!

Loch Henry - Excellent, the episode that's stayed with me the most. Once we find out the truth about his mother it reconextualises all her previous scenes in a really satisfying/creepy way. Her "for your film, mum" not meant to help out her son was quite haunting in its twisted sweetness.

Beyond The Sea - Felt like it dragged. Acting was good, concept was interesting...but it just went too long. And like Starkers said, it doesn't really hold up to any kind of scrutiny. Surely if they had that type of amazingly advanced technology in the sixties everything else would be different too? The same science fiction novels wouldn't have been written for one thing.

Mazey Day - Just a standard "look how evil the paparazzi are!" story until the twist, and the twist felt like cheating because this has never been a supernatural show before. Didn't feel like a Black Mirror episode, worst of the season.

Demon 79 - Didn't exactly feel like BM either, but this time it was "Red Mirror Presents" so I was fine with that, and it was consistent all the way through rather than saying "a-h-h, he was a Demon, bet you didn't see that coming!" at the end. The two leads were excellent, best episode of the season.

Feels like Brooker kind of got bored of writing BM after the first three episodes and decided to write a horror anthology instead. If he wants to do that going forward then I'll be fine with it if the films are as good as Demon 79.
 
Yeah if Loch Henry and Demon 79 are anything to go by then I look forward to more out and out horror from him.
 
Just finished S6. Joan is Awful was hands down the best episode, especially in terms of following the BM premise.

I did, however, get a HOWL out of Demon79. OMG, I didn't think anyone but me even remembered Boney M even existed!

The Boney-M music, Garb's look, and the two lead actors... I was just chortling and laughing the whole way through. When the air raid sirens went off at the end, I was like... Yes! She's not crazy!

I did get a Dead Zone vibe with the politician- it looks like the future was going to be pretty bleak (The Metalhead future?) if he was allowed to go his merry way. Anyway, I got a real charge out of this one. Hearing Rasputin again was awesome enough; the only way they could have made this episode better was if they could have worked in Night Flight to Venus.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Nothing that grabs my interest.
Wish Eaglemoss had lived long enough to get us a USS Callister model.
 
I did get a Dead Zone vibe with the politician- it looks like the future was going to be pretty bleak (The Metalhead future?) if he was allowed to go his merry way.
Yeah, I got that same feeling and I suspect that allusion was probably intentional. Seeing the robot dog was a nice touch and yet another story is tied in with the greater Black Mirror tapestry.
 
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Loch Henry was a brilliant horror/thriller, but I’m not sure how it is supposed to tie to Black Mirror’s overarching theme of technology run amok or being used in weird/interesting/evil/detrimental ways.
 
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