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"paramount should quit streaming"

Paramount could just simply move all their Paramount+ content to Netflix if they chose to shutdown the streaming service, which I seriously doubt will happen unless they sell Paramount+ outright to Netflix or some other company.

I think what’s going to happen is that two or more streaming services owned by different studios are going to merge.

The closest parallel I can think of was the merger of the studio-owned UPN and The WB TV networks in 2006 into the CW and I can see such a scenario happening with Paramount+ merging with some other studio-owned streaming services.
 
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Paramount could just simply move all their Paramount+ content to Netflix if they chose to shutdown the streaming service, which I seriously doubt will happen unless they sell Paramount+ outright to Netflix or some other company.

I think what’s going to happen is that two or more streaming services owned by different studios are going to merge.

The closest parallel I can think of was the merger of the studio-owned UPN and The WB TV networks in 2006 into the CW and I can see such a scenario happening with Paramount+ merging with some other studio-owned streaming services.
You realize Paramount is running TWO Streaming services atm.
1 - Paramount+ (the Sub Service)

2 - Pluto TV (Their free streaming service where they have done free streams of a season of many of their showa - and as a matter of fact have PICARD S2 available on demand and free for anyone who wants to watch it.)

And they did have a deal wit Netflix to co-produce Star Trek Discovery and they showed it in the U.S. and for a time Netflix showed it everywhere else in the world. Paramount ended that with S4 and bought Netflix out of said contract for a decent amount of cash because they decided to put Paramount+ worldwide - which they are still in the process of doing.

Paramount is in the streaming business for the long haul, and barring some sort of financial catastrophe (which no they AREN'T at all experiencing such at this time); I don't see them abandoning their streaming platforms anytime soon.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.benzinga.com/amp/content/32928514


Some interesting stuff here. I really think folks are under estimating Paramount Global and all it has to offer. It has 12 of the top 20 TV shows, its making a deal with Amazon to add the Ad Supported Tier to Amazon Prime. Iys deal with Delta Airlines is expanding. Walmart+ growth is automatically Paramount+ growth on top of Paramount+'s other growth, etc...


If the ad market rebounds, Paramount has it made.
 

Thank you for sharing, but there is definitely the wider corporate issues P+ is facing, and how these cancellations are linked to the mind of merger challenges P+ was expected to face (much like HBO Max/Discovery last year, and Disney recently).

I think this is interesting in terms of how survivable P+ is, which is really important. Also if things go off P+ or if P+ winds down, where will our content go?
 
Thank you for sharing, but there is definitely the wider corporate issues P+ is facing, and how these cancellations are linked to the mind of merger challenges P+ was expected to face (much like HBO Max/Discovery last year, and Disney recently).
I am aware but I grow fatigued by the commentary against Paramount with no action.

I think this is interesting in terms of how survivable P+ is, which is really important. Also if things go off P+ or if P+ winds down, where will our content go?
Probably licensed out to at least have some profit, even if the platform fades.
 
Thank you for sharing, but there is definitely the wider corporate issues P+ is facing, and how these cancellations are linked to the mind of merger challenges P+ was expected to face (much like HBO Max/Discovery last year, and Disney recently).

I think this is interesting in terms of how survivable P+ is, which is really important. Also if things go off P+ or if P+ winds down, where will our content go?

P+ is going to be fine, folks have been predicting its death since before it first started and its big draw was really only Nu Star Trek. Its subscriber base has just exploded, going from 20 million to 60 million in 2 years.

Everybody is reading way too much into the cancellations.
 
P+ is going to be fine, folks have been predicting its death since before it first started and its big draw was really only Nu Star Trek. Its subscriber base has just exploded, going from 20 million to 60 million in 2 years.
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Subscribers may have exploded, so did the costs. And the time of limitless spending in streaming land is quickly coming to an end, as investors no longer see infinite growth.
 
P+ is going to be fine, folks have been predicting its death since before it first started and its big draw was really only Nu Star Trek. Its subscriber base has just exploded, going from 20 million to 60 million in 2 years.

Everybody is reading way too much into the cancellations.
" we predicted he'd die young when he said he was gonna go to thailand to do heroin".

"It's been 7 years I ain't dead yet, who says heroin is bad for you?"

If 50% of the population hates your product, they hate your brand.

Discovery was instantly repulsive to conservatives, so were most of these streaming services. The budlight effect isn't some new idea, it's just a rare product/situation where people can't pretend it's something else. If budlight sold digital beer, they'd never reveal how bad the backlash has been. They can lie all they want, when the beer coolers are full, you have a problem.

You can't insult people and expect them to be your friends. They tolerate you just long enough, until they find something better/cheaper.

Conservatives are slow to change their habits, but when they do watch out. I suspect conservative product avoidance is gonna get way way more intense, when they realize they get way way more political power with boycotts than they do with crazed twitter tweets.

And of course it's not just conservatives, they're just the people who consistently and predictably are pissed off.

If they're a liberal and they like utopian ideals of a diverse space future, they'll be more likely to be watching the Orville. Not super interested in a dark, bleak future, where everyone is shitty to eachother all the time.

Brave new worlds at least tried to gain back the liberal audience. But they still went way to hard on 18 year olds. And alienated older liberals, and still didn't create something conservatives could trust.

I think a lot of people believed their politics was an app like facebook or tiktok.

We're early adopters and people will follow. When in reality it's the opposite, the early adopters get bored and move on, and rigid types just never have any interest.

Basic thing to build a product on. Don't alienate people of a particular race, gender, age group, income, or political persuasion.
 
2nd ed..... Your painting with a paint brush the size of Montana.. Conservative or liberal aren't just one big gestalt of homogenized fluff..
No, but this is a room of outliers. The general trends are pretty strong.

Also did you guys vote republican?

You'd get me on this if people didn't just vote for a guy twice, who's pretty much the polar opposite of modern day agenda driven media.



Interested in what makes you guys conservatives? Did you vote Republican last time around?
Not this conservative.
You have a strong commitment to the brand, that's the whole reason conservatives are important. Like I said they generally don't rebel against a brand, but when they do watch out.
 
I don't think Paramount quitting streaming will mean we lose Trek. I think they will, in the worst case scenario, just farm shows out to Netflix or Amazon as they have in the past.
You're probably right. But it would mean a reduction in the amount of Trek produced. P+ had plenty of incentive to build up its own IP (ST). Other streamers might be interested in ST but none of them will have any desire to build it up as their core as P+ originally did. Of course, even if P+ survives, we're already seeing that Trek output will be reduced.
 
P+ is going to be fine, folks have been predicting its death since before it first started and its big draw was really only Nu Star Trek. Its subscriber base has just exploded, going from 20 million to 60 million in 2 years.

Everybody is reading way too much into the cancellations.
Even with the new subscribers, they're still operating at a loss. But when they make fewer new series and cut existing series (ST and otherwise), only logical that subscriber numbers will go down.

Not predicting gloom and doom but it'll be a bumpy ride. Definitely less Trek too.
 
You're probably right. But it would mean a reduction in the amount of Trek produced. P+ had plenty of incentive to build up its own IP (ST). Other streamers might be interested in ST but none of them will have any desire to build it up as their core as P+ originally did. Of course, even if P+ survives, we're already seeing that Trek output will be reduced.

To me, less is still more. After ENT we went through years of Trek drought with the occasional movie.

Even if we just whittle down to SNW and LDS, that’s still 20 new slices of Star Trek a year.
 
To me, less is still more. After ENT we went through years of Trek drought with the occasional movie.

Even if we just whittle down to SNW and LDS, that’s still 20 new slices of Star Trek a year.
I'd be thrilled with that as well. That lineup would suit me just fine for quite a while!

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced we'll get more than several more years of that at best. And some new development could end it earlier.
 
I'd be thrilled with that as well. That lineup would suit me just fine for quite a while!

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced we'll get more than several more years of that at best. And some new development could end it earlier.

Well then, there’s always Doctor Who/Yellowjackets/Foundation/For All Mankind/The Boys/Severance/Slow Horses/The Sandman or whatever is your fancy to look forward to.

If Trek takes a few years out, it will be back at some point. It’s not a franchise that will wither on the vine.

Meanwhile, we are in a golden period of television drama regardless. There’s so much quality stuff out there right now.
 
Well then, there’s always Doctor Who/Yellowjackets/Foundation/For All Mankind/The Boys/Severance/Slow Horses/The Sandman or whatever is your fancy to look forward to.

If Trek takes a few years out, it will be back at some point. It’s not a franchise that will wither on the vine.

Meanwhile, we are in a golden period of television drama regardless. There’s so much quality stuff out there right now.
Right. I don't watch much TV. Several of the shows you mention I haven't seen yet but intend to watch eventually (For All Mankind & Foundation), but I try to limit viewing in general. DW is must watch for me though! :)

But the quantity of TV you mention is part of the problem. Studios have almost tripled scripted shows in the last 14 years. It's unsustainable because of the large deficits. So that's going to drop across the board. Not just for SF and ST.
 
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